Coyotes Release Statement on Ongoing Ownership Mess - I Rage
by Travis Hair on Jun 28, 2011 1:03 PM MST
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PrintStatement from the Coyotes per PR guy Rich Nairn:
"The City of Glendale and the National Hockey League continue to negotiate with other interested parties to secure new ownership for the Phoenix Coyotes. The objective continues to be to transition ownership of the Club to an interested purchaser in the coming months."
Now, I'm not sure what it was about this statement that made me completely angry this morning, but that's what it did. Maybe it was the fact that it was two sentences long to a fanbase that quite frankly deserves some damn answers. I know it's not the teams' fault, or Rich's fault. I mean how many of these stupid releases have they had to write over the last two and a half years? Way to damn many. So while I'm not angry at the team per se. This ongoing pile of crap we as fans have to put up with has about reached it's breaking point.
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Really where my anger is directed is at those really fucking stupid people over at the City of Glendale. Sure. I applaud them for doing "everything" to keep the team. Like paying 25 million and putting themselves on the hook for 25 more and then driving two potential (If not more) ownership groups out because they couldn't come to terms on the final deal. We all know where this is going. Or at least seems to. As the city negotiates with "other buyers" aka Jerry Reinsdorf again and his pal Ed Beasley as City Manager. That's great. Super. We'll have ownership, maybe, kinda, someday. I guess my question is, if it's him WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T THIS HAPPEN TWO GODDAMN YEARS AGO?!
I mean really, in order to serve in city government is there an IQ test that has to be taken and if you get over an 80 or so they tell you to get a real job? Because this whole mess is starting to look a lot less like a business deal and a lot more like a terrible episode of Let's Make a Deal. Actually, no. That's too good of a game show. It's more like Wheel of Fish in that everything fuckin' stinks and in the end if the City doesn't take the Red Snapper they'll get nothing. YOU SO STUPID!!!
I mean I suppose I get wanting the best deal, but at some point the deal you have has to be the best one you're getting right? Not only that but what exactly is it the city and the league and who ever the hell else is involved in this deal expects to get at the end? Sure a hockey team, but one with absolutely no fans left. Sure. We all love Shane Doan, but at some point you stop showing up on line for your daily kick in the nuts. And then you stop going to games because while the hockey is fun all anyone wants to talk about is the ownership bullshit. Then you just get pissed off at hockey in general to the point where it's no longer a fun diversion but just a ritual beating that you stop taking at some point. By the time this thing gets settled the fanbase that was already small is going to be miniscule. And I don't blame fans one bit for bolting. Sport is supposed to be fun, a hobby, not some massive headache.
So City of Glendale take your sweet time finding yet another buyer to screw over. In the mean time I'm sure more and more people will find something else to do with their time than put up with your incompetence.
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Well said Travis
My 2c
City of Glendale you havn’t just screwed the pooch on this one. You’ve taken the poor dog, beaten it, raped it, beaten it again, spat on it, raped it a third time.
Fuck you City of Glendale.
I don’t blame Hulsizer for walking away. I don’t blame Ice Edge for walking away (if they did or didn’t have the money). And right now I wouldn’t blame the NHL for walking away. I pray they won’t and that something, anything will happen to solve this. But I’m fuckng burned out on it.
2 Motherfucking years of this bullshit and we’re still getting pissed on.
2 Motherfucking years of the horseshit from other fanbases.
2 Motherfucking years of the City of Glendale making all of us feel fucking shitting for being fans of our team.
Once again, Fuck you City of Glendale. Sort this fucking mess out.
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as an aside (and a warning) – my language on this situation is going to make my normal posts look tame. If I cross the line call me on it. But when we get trolls, or bad news, my language will be bad.
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Could not have said it better Travis
Unfortunately, I now must provide an example of what you have stated so eloquently.
I’m done.
I have stated it before, if Hulsizer walks because of CoG’s bullshit, so do I.
I will not attend a game this season. Not sure if I will even support the team any more.
It breaks my heart to do this, but I’m not going to put up with this crap for another season.
And I don’t blame you. WHile I don’t support people walking away, I can’t find fault in it either. It’s just all around sad for everyone.
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JaredFromLondon: ...Odin, he's cool.
Never thought things could get so ugly....
seems like things have been brewing for so long now. I sware I might be the only one rallying to get Kansas City a team. The way it looks though Glendale doesn’t want anyone to get anything. Just dam sad really
Not rooting for a move.
AT ALL> Just saying the City needs to get this thing done and now.
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JaredFromLondon: ...Odin, he's cool.
I’m sad to see Matt go. I thought he would get would be the one that got it done. Hell, he handled Cupcake Summit with flying colors so I figured the CoG would be easy.
+100 to you Travis for bringing up the Wheel of Fish from UHF. Maybe we need to have a bond sale to save the team like Al did to save the station. Sad day when bad movie plot looks like it could help real life problems.
Well said Travis (and Timmy)
When I heard Matt walked, I was not surprised at all . But when I heard that Reinsdorf and “other parties” are negotiating with COG, well…I lost it. It’s a goddamn broken record from the NHL and COG. Same shit, different day (different year).
I have no clue what COG is up to or what “great deal” they’re going to try and make but I know one thing. The Glendale City Manager needs to be fired immediately. This guy can’t negotiate for shit. The only thing he’s good at is turning away potential owners!
Matt was the last great hope for the team, in my opinion.
I’ll stick with the Yotes this year but my patience is wearing extremely thin.
Repost...
I posted this on this morning’s story, but I think I posted it at the same time that Travis’ rant came out so wanted to repost to this story in order to join the venting. Unfortunately it sounds like we’re all in the same shitty place.
I’m finally fed up with all of this crap. The G’Dale city council are just a bunch of bumbling fools that have absolutely no business playing in the big leagues. As a ST holder, I’m pissed at them, but if I were a Glendale taxpayer, I’d be even more livid. The only way that signing up to that second $25M made any sense at all was if they were only a week or two away from finalizing the deal with Hulzi. Now, it’s apparent that they weren’t, and recent trends suggest that that money is as good as gone as there’s no fricken way they are competent enough to get a deal done. And even if by some miracle they do close a deal with Reinsdorf, what do we have to look forward to from ANOTHER owner that wants nothing to do with running a hockey team? He’ll be biding his time, waiting for the 5-year opt out so he can move the team. If you recall, he wasn’t really even putting any of his own money in the previous deal.
Most of all, I feel horrible for Doaner and the rest of the guys. They have to suffer through another year of telling their families that they have no idea where they’ll be next year. The first year was tough, the second was brutal – you could see it on their faces and hear it in their comments after the playoffs mercifully ended, but the third will be unbearable. It broke my heart to hear Doaner say how happy he was for the players of Atlanta to go somewhere stable – that told me all I needed to know about the true feelings of these guys about having to go through this. I would not at all be surprised to see Tippett walk given his obvious frustration at the end of last season.
I can’t think of a worse thing than to have your future in the hands of idiots like the G’Dale band of fools.
And a little knife twist...
Good move Glendale, definitely didn’t want to work out a deal with a guy like this.
by phxcoyotes09 on Jun 28, 2011 5:05 PM MST up reply actions
I know a lot of you are going to hate this...
Let me start off by saying I’m a season ticket holder, and I will be for however long I and this team are in the Valley. I want to direct all of my frustration at the City of Glendale and the Goldwater Institute. I really do. But I can’t. And here’s why.
In truth, Glendale does certainly deserve a lot of the blame. I never really got the sense from the City Council at all that they were (are) that committed about working with Hulsizer. After all, it seems like a getting a declaratory judgement after GWI threatened to sue would have saved us all 9 months of headaches. Also, the way they were mum on details seemed less like preserving the integrity of the negotiations and more like general incompetence.
But to play Devil’s advocate, there were a heck of a lot of massive question marks for COG. Asking them to pay $100M in bonds, plus the interest on those bonds, is incredible, especially for a city of less than 250k people. I know all of the economic projections and estimates and potential revenues. I’ve seen them, and I’ve discussed them. Unfortunately, they are only projections and estimates. What the city knew for sure is they’re paying $50 million over 2 years (by their own choice, I know) to cover annual losses for the team that are roughly equal, maybe a little higher. And what happens if the economic projections are overly optimistic? (which, given they were government contracted, may very well be). Now Glendale taxpayers have to pay debt on the arena, debt on the bond sales, and debt on the stupid bribes the COG paid the NHL to keep the team here longer. If I lived in Glendale and didn’t go to the games, I’d be extremely pissed to have that not only on my plate, but on my childrens’ and maybe even my grandchildrens’ plate. Plus it’s not like Glendale has nothing else to worry about. We don’t know what the fallout from the Fiesta Bowl will be, if the NFL lockout will drag into the season or drag down ticket sales at UofP, how quickly the Dodgers bankruptcy mess will be solved, and of course, how long this goddamn recession is going to last. I’m not saying Glendale shouldn’t have taken the deal, but it’s a question of how much additional risk the City Council was willing to take. That part isn’t stupid Travis, as painful as it is. It’s the best of several bad options.
by AhwatukeeCoyote on Jun 28, 2011 10:45 PM MST reply actions
One final thought
I don’t write this because I’m a closet Jets/Nordiques fan. I write this because I’m worried that we as fans are setting ourselves up for major disappointment again and again. This mess was 10+ years in the making, and there isn’t going to be a magic bullet to solve all of our problems. We’re going to have to be a lot more wary of whomever comes along next. And we certainly have to put a lot more pressure on Glendale to keep negotiations open and clear. But most importantly for me, taking out our frustration on the team by staying home is a surefire way to get them relocated. I actually upgraded to full season tickets this year from partials not because I thought the ownership mess was going to get resolved soon, but because I love hockey, and I will always love hockey. Am I naive? Maybe. Are you all going to agree with me? Certainly not. But I am willing to tough it out, however long it takes.
by AhwatukeeCoyote on Jun 28, 2011 11:10 PM MST up reply actions
I just don't understand..
Why people are worked up about the MH deal falling through. I know he appears to be a nice guy, he sat with the fans, he wrote an email to the booster club, fine. More importantly MH appears to either not have the proper capital to own a team, or he’s really greedy. Like the rest of you I love the Coyotes and want a deal to happen, but the publicized deals were horrible for the citizens of Glendale. COG is essentially paying someone to own the team but I just don’t get the impression that with all the money given to him that MH has the money to be a long term owner to make it worth the investment. He seemed like a stop gap plan. People who think COG isn’t trying need to pull your head out. They have more to lose than any of us.
I’m worked up about the deal falling through because I live in reality. And the reality is that these players, who are some of the best people in professional sports IMO, have to go through at least another year of this ownership b.s.. Do you think it’s fair that Doaner has to play out his final years in this type of situation? Glendale city council has shown ZERO urgency to get this deal done, and my anger comes from sympathy with the players. You can see the toll that it is taking on their faces, and you can hear it in their comments – the most recent example was in D Mo’s comments at the draft party where he talked about how difficult it will be to get free agents to come here. As for Hulsizer being greedy or not having enough money to purchase the team, I again have to disagree. The reality is that this investment, in its current state, is a guaranteed loss of $25M – $35M per year for the next few years or until the new owner is able to turn it around. That’s why EVERY potential deal has asked for significant money from Glendale (even G’Dale’s beloved Reinsdorf, except he wanted an out clause on top). One final point…before you call us out for our anger at Glendale, try to remember that this situation was their own creation and could’ve been avoided if they weren’t such shortsided morons. Moyes asked for a rework of the lease agreement before he walked, and they laughed at him.
As for the fans walking away, I again have to point to reality. I agree that this is the worst time for the fans to abandon this team. But like Travis, I understand why they are. Being in Kansas, you may not see it because it doesn’t show on up TV, but going to games is not exactly fun on many nights. We are under siege by nearly every opposing fan base – except Canadian teams are the worst. It is a lot to ask of fans to pay their hard earned money to deal with that, and the reality is that the casual fans will not.
by phxcoyotes09 on Jun 29, 2011 7:59 AM MST up reply actions
Well that
And there’s the simple fact that Hulsizer may have been the Coyotes last best chance. So far there’s no other buyers out there that aren’t for all intents “vaporware”. And there’s no guarantee another real potential owner will come along in time either as the current status quo won’t be allowed to continue indefinitely.
one more thing
You people who are “out” need to stop being so simple and shortsighted. I am a Yotes fan in Kansas, I have never lived in AZ. I became a fan in ‘96 when I visited Phoenix and went to a game. At the time I was a Vancouver fan but I liked the franchise from watching Tkachuk and Selanne in Winnipeg, I saw a game in America West and I was converted. I still live in Kansas so the irony is that if this doesn’t work out for the Valley then it could work out better for me. However, I don’t want them to come here, I am a devoted fan of the Phoenix Coyotes.
You people who are “out” are cutting off your nose to spite your face and it effects us all. So when the team needs butts in the seats the most you aren’t going to show up? You are angry at the COG so you are going to leave empty seats to make the team even less attractive to potential investors? How does this make any since? What are you trying to prove? What does not showing up accomplish positively? Please don’t let city council deals interfere with your enjoyment of the Phoenix Coyotes. That stuff has nothing to do with watching and enjoying the great young talent in the org. There are not only players but fantastic people working for the team who have more at stake than us who need our support. Don’t turn your back on these people to prove an unclear point. Get to jobing.com, and enjoy some good hockey at great prices. Don’t take for granted what you have.
by PurpleReign on Jun 29, 2011 12:49 AM MST reply actions 2 recs
This is a great post.
I would go to the games, if I were able to. I will still follow the team in whatever city they are playing in in 2012-2013. I grew up watching Numminen, Tkachuk, Tocchet, Khabibulan, etc. Sure, the Gretzky years (coupled with the lockout) made me shy away from hockey in general for a while, but I am back and will continue to back the franchise.
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Well said PR.
Well said. So well said I’m not going to grammar-nazi.
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by AlabamaJammer on Jun 29, 2011 5:34 AM MST up reply actions
Have to disagree
While it may seem like I’m taking it out on the team by saying I won’t go to games any more, You have to understand the context. A native of Phoenix, and a rabid fan of the Yotes from the day they announced they were moving here. Somebody who has lived through all the devistaing playoff losses, the lockout, the Moyes/Gretzky era that turned us into a joke, and now finally this ridiculous ineptitude from CoG (and yes I blame them, it’s always been about the lease).
It’s easy to say you should support the team to the bitter end, but how many times are we fans (of all sports) going to pay the price for crappy managment, greed and bad decisions. Look at the NFL. They are putting their fans through the ringer right now, but we all know that when they do start playing again, the fans will rush back and open their wallets. I won’t do that! Call it principle, but I believe that a sport owes it’s fans, not the other way around.
How many times are you going to let your heart be broken by this team? I know this is a pessamistic statement, but it’s pretty clear that our chances now of building a franchise that can win the Cup someday are pretty nil. Even if we do finally get an owner, with the way CoG is working, it looks like it will be another absentee guy who only wants the team for a business write off or for prestige.
Forget that! I won’t support it. And neither should you.
OK rant over.
Except it does effect that enjoyment. When at games, online, and anywhere that talks Coyotes (Except here as much as possible) everyone just wants to talk ownership ownership ownership. It’s a huge black cloud even over the good parts of the game. The city dragging things out like this just makes things worse and worse.
I tried to explain, it’s not the team I get mad at, but the city and Moyes and the people that can’t get this deal done. But those things directly impact the enjoyment of the game. I’ll be here, but I also can’t blame people for not signing up for year 3 of this mess. They’re not lesser fans, or anything like that. They’re just tired of it. I know I am.
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by Travis Hair on Jun 29, 2011 10:45 AM MST up reply actions
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