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No Owner, No Problem? Coyotes Players and Staff Feel Confident Team Will Return

There's been a lot of reports coming through the pipeline on Twitter and over at AZCentral that shows that the team and management feel confident that the team will be returning. Check out the streams from @jimgintonio and @azc-mcclellan for lots of this stuff.

Really, it's still not entirely clear what is going to happen with this entire mess, but it does look like a resolution is on the horizon. I'm copying the commentary I posted over at the SBN Arizona site here. There's certainly tons of emotion on all sides of the equation (as evidenced by the almost 150 comments on Motown Sarge's Fan Post) and I just remind everyone to keep it civil. We're all hockey fans which is what everyone seems to forget. And nobody is a "better" fan than anyone else. A little empathy goes a long ways in all directions.

Here's the commentary:

Well, without much surprise, the "Cupcake Summit" did not result in a settlement of the differences between the Goldwater Institute and the City of Glendale and the Phoenix Coyotes remain in limbo. As Seth Pollack has eloquently pointed out over at SBN Arizona, however, the Summit did do a fine job of making sure that Goldwater looks like a "watchdog" that has brought a rubber band gun to a shootout. I encourage everyone to listen to the audio, read the transcript and review Goldwater's 7 Issues and 7 Solutions document and make your own decisions.

The takeaway to me is that it appears Glendale and Matthew Hulsizer (who certainly looks the best coming away from the Summit from everything I've seen/heard) are going to try and get this deal finalized, get the bonds sold and simply deal with Goldwater when/if they bring a lawsuit. Is there a valid challenge to the deal? It looks like we are getting to the point where it will be put up/shut up for Goldwater, and really that would be progress in this whole ordeal.

Star-divide

For a group that was so insistent that everything happens in front of the press, my thoughts are that Goldwater does not come off looking great here, so perhaps they would've been best allowing this meeting to happen behind closed doors and trying to spin it however they want. Personally, I'm not surprised that Matthew Hulsizer left early nor that he seemed aggravated by the way he was treated by Goldwater Institute.

At this point, it's still wait and see for the Phoenix Coyotes and their fans. The commentary today from Don Maloney and Dave Tippett is encouraging as both feel the team will be back. My impression from speaking with Mr. Hulsizer on the concourse before game four is that the deal is going to get done. Goldwater's stretched their 15 minutes of fame about as far as it is going to go. What will really be interesting is whether the bonds sell and whether Hulsizer and Glendale sue Goldwater for tortious interference - that will be an interesting lawsuit. I can't wait to see Goldwater start fighting discovery requests if Hulsizer and Glendale start asking Goldwater who they were talking to that may have effected the City's bond ratings.

Personally, I'm ready to focus on free agents, the draft and what the Coyotes need to do to win a playoff series next year (avoiding Detroit in the first round would be a good first start). This is an ordeal that's been ongoing for about two years longing than it should have by any reasonable analysis. Although there's still not a definite answer, my take is that we're closer than ever to a resolution and I think that resolution will be the Coyotes staying. But, hey, I picked the Coyotes to win in 6 games over Detroit so perhaps I should just stay out of prognosticating.

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Regardless of the resolution

I can’t wait until the vast majority of these Winnipeggers are gone. Times must be pretty damn tough up there since apparently the entire population has nothing better to do than antagonize Coyotes fans.

On Wisconsin.

by Carly on Apr 23, 2011 11:14 AM MST reply actions  

And to be fair...

…it’s not the Winnipeggers that I’m upset at; it’s the “Jets” fans that are trying to claim “their team back.” If they were so passionate they shouldn’t have lost their team to begin with.

And that in mind, while I do not wish ill will against other teams and their fan bases, you would figure other franchises that are struggling worse than the Coyotes would be better to aim at. Unfortunately for us it’s the Coyotes in limbo at the present. One day it may be the Thrashers.

For the Winnipeg people who have sympathy, I return it. Trolls on the other hand…

…well, go learn what this hash-tag means. Go #DIAF.

It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.

Maybe next year the Ice Surface at Jobing.com should be frozen with the tears of Winnipeg. - TimmyHate of FiveForHowling to a troll after it was alleged Coyote fans do not know how to ice skate.

by AlabamaJammer on Apr 23, 2011 2:51 PM MST up reply actions  

To be fair to some of those “Jets” fans, I understand that many circumstances conspired against the team before they left including the highly devalued Canadian dollar. It’s their lack of empathy for the true fans of the team that I find frustrating.

It’s almost like they should be going to other Phoenix sports teams blogs and spouting their tripe. The folks who are coming to FFH regularly and posting are clearly HUGE hockey fans – that should be clear from anything that gets posted. So I’m not sure why they decide to pick the fights here. It’s frustrating, but I understand their desire to have the NHL back – it’s the same desire I have to keep the NHL here – it’s a fantastic sport and a fantastic thing to do with family. I just don’t understand the vitriol and the lack of willingness to read what is written here and give it a fair evaluation. If all you want to believe is what the WFP is reporting, then just stay there and post there.

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by Jordan Ellel on Apr 23, 2011 2:57 PM MST up reply actions  

I understand that many circumstances conspired against the team before they left including the highly devalued Canadian dollar.

I didn’t realize this was the scenario behind their move. My apologies for claiming they lacked passion back then.

Still, I think about the Colts in this scenario. If the team left and jilted you, I would think you would want to cut ties with that bad memory and strive for a new team. Hell, you can even do the ‘Browns’ thing (although that doesn’t carry like the Jets situation, I understand) and once a team comes back jump onto the Jets name. Heck, I would tend to think most Coyote fans would be glad to let you have your history (yes, making the Coyotes the expansion team, per se), but only if you take that awful first round curse back too.

It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.

Maybe next year the Ice Surface at Jobing.com should be frozen with the tears of Winnipeg. - TimmyHate of FiveForHowling to a troll after it was alleged Coyote fans do not know how to ice skate.

by AlabamaJammer on Apr 23, 2011 3:42 PM MST up reply actions  

There have been many suggestions – some hints by NHL brass, even – that expansion is out of the question for the forseeable future.

In his recent piece about the Coyotes and television revenues, David Shoalts says that many current and former governors confirmed to him that the NHL is not going to expand to Winnipeg.

All talk of “expansion” has been off the table for several years now. Fans in Winnipeg and really all around the NHL recognize that if the city is to somehow get another team, it will have to come from another city. That’s why they’re so focused on relocation – not out of spite (although for many that is a happy coincidence), but because they have been told that it is the only way for them to re-enter the NHL.

by dzuunmod on Apr 24, 2011 10:33 AM MST up reply actions  

And incidentally, that’s also why Quebec City fans have taken to organizing these big trips to Long Island – to attempt to show the NHL that they are ready to support the Islanders if fans on Long Island aren’t.

If there had been some suggestion by the NHL that expansion was on the horizon, or that they were willing to listen to expansion pitches from potential suitors, you’d see the civic leaders in Quebec and Winnipeg putting together bids. But at no time in recent years has the NHL suggested any of that is happening anytime soon.

So is it so hard to understand why they’re targeting some of the drags on the league for potential relocation?

by dzuunmod on Apr 24, 2011 10:40 AM MST up reply actions  

You didn't understand why I brought up the 'expansion' word.

Are you familiar with the Cleveland Browns in the NFL? Their franchise moved, and the city sued for the Browns name and records, successfully winning their case. When expansion came around they were the ‘old’ team and the franchise that left became the ‘expansion’ team.

That’s all I’m meaning. IF they got the Thrashers instead I would not be opposed to the Thrashers history going away, Winnipeg getting the Jets lineage and the Coyotes starting fresh in history.

I was not saying there should be an expansion in the NHL.

It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.

Maybe next year the Ice Surface at Jobing.com should be frozen with the tears of Winnipeg. - TimmyHate of FiveForHowling to a troll after it was alleged Coyote fans do not know how to ice skate.

by AlabamaJammer on Apr 24, 2011 11:48 AM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, on reading it back again, I don’t even know. Withdrawn.

by dzuunmod on Apr 25, 2011 6:30 PM MST up reply actions  

Preds break curse

The Preds just broke the round 1 curse so no reason the Yotes can’t do the same next year .
As for the highly devalued Canadian dollar it was rock bottom $1 us would fetch you $1.65 cnd .

I had a great time shopping for xmas in Canada that year

Show me the CUP

by Mashman on Apr 24, 2011 8:16 PM MST up reply actions  

As a matter of context, back in 95 the Canadian economy was in a recession, the Canadian federal government was broke and slashing spending to avoid economic ruin. The Canadian dollar was worth between 65 and 68 cents against the dollar, and unemployment was 12%. Contrast that with today where its the American economy taking a beating, unemployment coming out of the latest economic recession is only about 7% and the Canadian dollar is worth about a dollar and five cents US. At the time NHL payrolls were drastically increasing from their relatively modest levels in the 80s towards the tens of millions that the salary cap mandates.

At the time the Jets left Canada the provincial government was unwilling to pony up for an arena, one was subsequently built as part of a downtown revitalization scheme and it could be upgraded. They also lacked an available owner with deep pockets to run the franchise and be able afford the NHL payroll that needed to be made. Now the company running the AHL team in Winnipeg which has expressed interested in upgrading to an NHL team is backed by a billionaire who makes Forbes list as one of the richest people in the world.

Times have changed and its unsurprising that Winnipegers who swing by here want to repatriate what lineally is their team. Its not really the doing of coyotes fans, but just as you all resent the idea of Canadians hovering around wanting to scoup up your franchise, Winnipegers resented a bunch of American millionaires swooping in and taking theirs. No one liked percieved outsiders taking something they consider to belong to them, and generally people “want it back”.

On the whole the Canadian sports media nurses a sense of grievance about Americans corrupting “our game”. With the party line being teams are a toy for billionaires who otherwise are indifferent to the sport itself and hockey outside the North eastern United states doesn’t have any cultural relevance in America or widespread fan support. Criticisms which are exaggerated but not entirely unfounded.

Ticket prices also need to be considered. The price for tickets in Phoenix, Florida and other cities in the US is a fraction of what’s paid in Canada. Where I live in Edmonton a single lower bowl seat is going to set you back at least two hundred dollars, and to sit in the nose bleeds you’re still spending roughly fifty bucks. Hockey is not a cheap source of entertainment and there are fairly steady sell outs all the same. Hence attendence in the southern US where ticket prices are rather drastically discounted and in some cases given away for free is viewed in a rather skeptical manner.

Television ratings for hockey in the US are routinely reported to lag behind all other major sports and even things like bowling. And by all reports the Coyotes have never managed to turn a profit.

To be objective its hard to see how the Coyotes will make money at any point in the near future. Their regional television contract isn’t going to become lucrative in the near future. Attendance is low to moderate at best and ticket pricing is weak. Its hard from the outside to see how you all propose to make the Coyotes a viable and ongoing concern in the short to medium term. As Keynes said “in the long run we’re all dead”.

The only immediate solution appears to be a rich fellow who treats the team as a toy and is prepared to lose tens of millions of dollars anually to keep things going. Unfortunately the current would be owner would evidently like the municipal government in Glendale to give him the money to buy the team.

With great respect to the many Coyotes fans, do you really think an owner who has to be paid to take on the team is going to sink much of his own money into the team and make things work presuming they can be made to work?

While I don’t approve of the exuberance of some of the Winnipeg fans who border on attempting to prematurally dance on the Coyotes grave, do understand that they lost something at a very low ebb. Now that fortune has favoured them they see the Coyotes as a fiscally teetering proposition which they possess the means to acquire which would right as they see it a historical grievance.

There do seem to be enough struggling NHL franchises that chances are Winnipeg will get its chance. I don’t know if it will be Phoenix, although unfortunately for Coyotes fans I don’t think Huzinger is the answer to your plight. For the team to stay in Phoenix you need a real owner, willing to invest his own money into the team and further money to make the game work in Phoenix. I just don’t see that white knight on the horizon for hockey in Phoenix.

by ChrisBat on Apr 24, 2011 10:12 AM MST up reply actions  

Hulsizer

You’re a bit off on your assumptions about the man, but I don’t have the time to go into it all. He’s not exactly asking the City of Glendale to just gift him money for the team; as everyone seems to want to ignore, he’s going to be spending a lot of money every year to pay into the City of Glendale under the lease agreement, and will be purchasing the Arena from the city before the end of the lease for another $40- 145 million. He’s also said, repeatedly, that he knows he will lose money in the short term to run the team that will not be at the bottom end of the payroll spectrum. So, yes, I do think he gets that it’s going to cost him a lot of money over the next several years to create a (hopefully) profitable enterprise. And as he reported, the team was profitable in the past – it’s been a while, but they have made money.

The question on the municipal funding is simply a matter of finding the best interest rate to pay the fee to the NHL now and Hulsizer will repay all of that money to the City through the operations of the team. Would it be better if he could finance all of this himself upfront, sure, but it’s not exactly a ridiculous financing scheme as everyone seems to want to say.

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by Jordan Ellel on Apr 24, 2011 12:23 PM MST up reply actions  

Ok, but that doesn’t change the fact that if he – or anyone else – wanted to straight up buy the team with their own money, if it was that good a business proposition, it could have happened yesterday.

But nobody seems to want to, so it drags on and on.

by dzuunmod on Apr 24, 2011 1:03 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Hulsizer’s deal is almost exactly the same as the one that Jerry Reinsdorf had negotiated with the City of Glendale that GWI never batted an eye at…every deal that has been seriously discussed has included similar bonding issues because it’s to counterbalance what is a very poor lease agreement that the City of Glendale set up when they built the arena.

Certainly if someone came in and offered $200 million of their own funding, the deal would close immediately – but that’s not the market value for the team.

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by Jordan Ellel on Apr 24, 2011 6:37 PM MST up reply actions  

So true it seems to me the best way to buy the team would be use your own money . One would figure after going to game 4 and seeing in person the Yotes fans reacting after a hard to swallow round 1 loss that he would just say screw the bullcrap and buy the team .

Just what the PR message to the fans would sell more seats because then without any question Yotes players and fans would see this guy belives would respond .

Show me the CUP

by Mashman on Apr 24, 2011 8:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Call me skeptical (I cheer for a team where one of our previous owners sold Wayne Gretzky for cash so I have reason) but when someone is looking to put a mere fraction of the money down and looking for the municipality to finance the purchase of the team it suggests too things to me 1) a private lender wouldn’t lend him that much money as he’d be deemed overleveraged 2) If you can’t buy the team through some combination of cash on hand and private financing you probably shouldn’t 3) he wants the city to be heavily invested in his sucesses so if things don’t go well he can go cap in hand to the city to look for further subsidies so he doesn’t pick up stakes and move the team after he’s lost gobs of money.

I mean look at recent sales of NHL teams the Oilers sold to Katz, Leopold purchased the Wild, the Sabers were sold…there was no government funding or financing for any of those transactions. The fact this fellow is trying to acquire the team in what resembles more of a discount furniture commercial than standard practice in the acquisition of a team (no money down, don’t pay a cent until some point in the future) should be a huge red flag.

by ChrisBat on Apr 26, 2011 7:22 AM MST up reply actions  

One of the problems with using all of your own money to buy a team is is you need to have plenty left over to run the team. As I understand it Matt doesn’t want to spend anymore of his money so we can have a decent budget next year. I don’t think he can buy the team outright and be able to cover the losses for the first couple of years. Its not like he can spend $100 mill every year.

by GalenYote on Apr 26, 2011 10:02 AM MST up reply actions  

To me, that just sounds like he doesn’t have enough money to buy a hockey team and run it. He ought to.

by dzuunmod on Apr 27, 2011 8:46 AM MST up reply actions  

You left out Winnipeg’s god awful attendance record which certainly didnt help things.

He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Jay McClement for Selke in 2011. Justice will be served. Penalties will be killed.

by Icion on Apr 24, 2011 4:52 PM MST up reply actions  

No worse than the desert’s, with 500x the population, or whatever the stat is today.

by dzuunmod on Apr 25, 2011 6:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Actually the last 2 years the coyotes attendance was around 12k average due to the ownership issues. Before that they were holding strong at around 15k. The last decade winnipeg was alive they were barely breaking 13k

He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Jay McClement for Selke in 2011. Justice will be served. Penalties will be killed.

by Icion on Apr 26, 2011 5:10 AM MST up reply actions  

Owners are what attract fans to the arena? Wow! I thought it was the on ice product. I guess all the other teams in the league are marketing themselves wrong.

by JimmyJ306 on Apr 26, 2011 10:39 AM MST up reply actions  

If its not an issue then why did Winnipeg drop to 11 thousand average their last year of existence?

He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Jay McClement for Selke in 2011. Justice will be served. Penalties will be killed.

by Icion on Apr 26, 2011 8:27 PM MST up reply actions  

Lame duck season. Everyone already knew they would be leaving. If your wife/husband said they were leaving you at the end of next year would you spend every waking second with them until then? Didn’t think so!

by JimmyJ306 on Apr 27, 2011 7:15 AM MST up reply actions  

Seems to me that they would pack the place.

In rememberence of their last season? What was the average attendance of the Whalers in their last season in Hartford?

Hartford
95-96 11,967 (second to last)
96-97 13,680 (last season)

Winnipug
94-95 13,013 (second to laat)
95-96 11,316 (last season)

The Whalers say hi.

(just for fun, Quebec’s average attendance their last two seasons 14,614 and 14,395)

U jelly?

Per Mare, Per Terras

by justin1985 on Apr 27, 2011 5:24 PM MST up reply actions  

You know what?

Why dont people from Connecticut troll the Hurricanes board? Maybe they have some freaking class?

Per Mare, Per Terras

by justin1985 on Apr 27, 2011 5:32 PM MST up reply actions  

Maybe because there appears to be zero chance of the Hurricanes (or any other team, really) returning to Hartford?

by dzuunmod on Apr 28, 2011 11:48 AM MST up reply actions  

I understand what you’re trying to say, I just don’t agree with it.

by dzuunmod on Apr 28, 2011 5:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Raw Numbers

Last three years of the jets existance? 13,297, 13,013, 11,316
Last three years for the Coyotes? 14,820, 14,875, 11,989
(Source: http://www.andrewsstarspage.com/index.php/site/comments/nhl_average_attendance_since_1989_90/118-2008-09)

So aside from last year….the year after the previous owner wrote to the Season ticket holders and told them not to buy tickets cause the team would move and they would lose their money.

The Jets highest attendance figure ever was in the 1992-1993 NHL season. The average? 13,550
The Coyotes Lowest attendance figure, excluding last year, was 2001-2002. The average? 13,161
So in our WORST year, we were only an average of 400 people lower than the Peg’s best year.
Based on both worst years, including last year?
Jets: 11,316 (1995-1996)
Coyotes: 11,989 (2009-2010)
Both teams were in the playoffs that year.

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by TimmyHate on Apr 26, 2011 1:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Please note these do not include figures for the 2010-2011 season

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by TimmyHate on Apr 26, 2011 1:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Ever been to the old Winnipeg Arena? No? Then you have no idea what the old barn was like. The #’s you quote are good considering what a shite hole it used to be.

I’m also pretty tired of the attendance argument. That is just a Coyotes fan’s way of grasping at straws. If Winnipeg could fill that building with 13K a night with 1/6th of the greater Phoenix areas population than with that logic Jobing should be SRO every night. It’s not? Hmmmmm……strange (rolls eyes).

by JimmyJ306 on Apr 26, 2011 1:56 PM MST up reply actions  

But the fucking point is

They didn’t full the fucking arena every night.

15,393 NHL was the capacity. So even in their BEST YEAR they only averaged 88%.
Jobing.com capactity is 17125. Phoenixs best year was 15,582 – 90% avergage.

And don’t argue the arena is a shite hole. So was America West Arena (capacity 16210). Best year there? 15604 – 96%. And that was with half the seats hanging over the fucking boards.

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by TimmyHate on Apr 26, 2011 3:54 PM MST up reply actions  

You still don’t get it do you? Winnipeg has 1/6th the population that greater Phoenix has. That equates to 2% of the city’s population going to games. With that math (2% of population) Jobing should have 100K beating down the doors every night. As it stands you have 0.003% that even give a shit.

If that math doesn’t make sense to you then I can suggest some online math courses.

’Nuff said.

by JimmyJ306 on Apr 27, 2011 7:21 AM MST up reply actions  

Sorry…should read 0.3% of the Phoenix pop cares. Not that it makes that much of a difference.

by JimmyJ306 on Apr 27, 2011 8:21 AM MST up reply actions  

To borrow from your example from above

If your wife that you married in part cause of great cooking suddenly lost all ability to cook, and moved the kitchen and dining room into the house at the other end of the street, wouldn’t decide after a while it wasn’t worth it to walk all the way down there to eat? Its just easier to order Dominios pizza and sit at home with some porn?

Now the wife is still cooking at the end of the street cause your kitchen is badly designed for cooking (the oven door opens to lean against the opposite cupboards, the fridge is behind a wall etc) but she’s learned to cook. So maybe you start to venture down there sometimes. But you don’t want to go too often cause she keeps threatening to leave.

Now if she were to give you a gaurentee of some form that she was not leaving, wouldn’t you walk down the street more often to have a meal? Having an owner will give stabilty and improve attendance.

But using a Parable is one thing, lets use some numbers shall we?

Now, lets assume (based on this research) that 31% of Americans consider themselves hockey fans
AND, lets assume that, oh i dunno, 90% of canadians are:
Phoenix Metro Population: 4,192,887. So 31% of that is 1,299,795 (just shy of 1.3 million)
Winnipegs Metro Population is still around 700,000. Hell MANATOBA’s Metro area is 1,232,654.

Now the 31% was in 2001, this research) shows that between 1993 and 2006 (just after the lockout) was still 29%. So the POTENTIAL audience in Phoenix is Greater than the population of Manatoba – even assuming 100% of Manatoba’s population are hockey fans (which as you have shown for me above, only 2% of them actually attended games).

See those things? They are FACTS. Hard numbers that show the Phoenix can work as a market. If you want to go by attendance numbers, I’ve given you the information about to PROVE that, on average, Phoenix has had a higher % sold of its arena than Winnipeg ever did. But heres more – the actual attendance numbers, then expressed as a percentage (and remember, each percentage point is worth more for a higher capacity). If you don’t get this then maybe you are the one that needs some online maths courses. I’ve posted these as links as the graphics I’ve made are too wide for this part of the thread

Heres the numbers

Notice something? Winnipegs average attendance is LOWER.

What about if we exclude the last year for Winnipeg since it was a lame duck season as you put it? Ok, click here then . Do you see what I see? Oh…yes…Jobing.com arena is still higher attended for hockey than Winnipeg.

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by TimmyHate on Apr 27, 2011 1:30 PM MST up reply actions  

The problem with your 31% number though is that the number of hockey fans would undoubtedly be higher in places like Pittsburgh, Detroit and Minnesota than in Phoenix, Atlanta and Miami. So, you can’t just take 31% and apply it across the country evenly.

by dzuunmod on Apr 28, 2011 11:49 AM MST up reply actions  

I’m also pretty tired of the attendance argument.

Your not the only one.

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by TimmyHate on Apr 26, 2011 4:00 PM MST up reply actions  

YOU

are the one grasping as straws. Guess what? I can skate! and I live in Arizona OMG WOWZ!!!

Why hasn’t this troll been banned? lol, good thing I am not the admin.

Per Mare, Per Terras

by justin1985 on Apr 26, 2011 7:26 PM MST up reply actions  

You don't see an Owner for the Coyotes

But I do. Matt Hulzier seems to be a dedicated guy, and at this point, I’m willing to take any decent Owner. Can’t be picky.

by Skii on Apr 24, 2011 7:39 PM MST up reply actions  

The MTS Center

Is just barely an NHL Arena. It would be the smallest arena in the NHL. If it had been built to proper NHL specs…..maybe the sell would be easier.

But the building is not appropriate for the NHL, IMHO. Neither is the market.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Apr 26, 2011 3:52 PM MST up reply actions  

What will happen to this board......

when the team moves? As much as they should stay I think we can all agree that it is only a matter of time before they pack up and go. Regardless of where they land I cannot see them being in AZ longer than 5 years. Especially after Matty’s KC comment.

How anyone got that GWI came out on the short end in the meeting is baffling to me. The only one that looked worse than when they went in was Scruggs. Hulsizer actually impressed most people I’ve talked to especially after his last television appearance and his poorly written “memo” of a few weeks ago. I have new respect for the man.

Oh……and for the record…..it’s spelled HULSIZER. Not Hulizer, Hulzier, Hulzinger or any other ridiculous combination.

by JimmyJ306 on Apr 25, 2011 5:43 AM MST reply actions  

I have posted this before but it is insane

to leave an Top 10 US market for a Canadian market which is populated to the tune of 750K. For all the problems, this just is stupid. I don’t care if 15K show up at MTS Centre every night, you cannot and never make the revenue in the ‘Peg that’s possible in Phoenix.

Besides, if they are so ‘hungry’ up there, the AHL should sell out every night, with those reduced ticket prices, but it does not. They seem to sell out when CBC does a nationally televised game, but there’s 7K there every other game.

If you want to move an American team, look to Columbus. That smallish market should never been awarded a major league team.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Apr 26, 2011 3:48 PM MST reply actions  

hey, Sharks fan here

I hope you stay in Phx and have a chance to go further next year. You were really an impressive team this year. You were disciplined and you scored goals when you needed to. I was pulling for you in the first round against Det. I wish your team had pulled it off, but I feel partly responsible for that, as I didn’t watch or care enough about your series at the time. To be fair, the team had a cloud of sorts hanging over its head, which, to me, effected the series outcome a bit. Granted, you don’t want to make excuses after losses, all the same, though… we’ll beat Detroit for you (I hope!). Good luck in the offseason and better luck next year.

by anduriliam on Apr 28, 2011 7:57 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

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