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The Five for Howling Roundtable: What's Wrong With the Coyotes?

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Greetings Phoenix Coyotes fans.  This week we are mixing things up and focusing on the Coyotes current playoff series with the Detroit Red Wings.  We've moved to a dinette table for this week's edition as it is just Jordan and myself this time around.

While the Coyotes special teams  struggles were documented during the season and mentioned by multiple people in last week's Roundtable, the team had excelled during even strength play during the season.  Any thoughts on why they have struggled during with it thus far in the postseason?

Jordan  - Truth of the matter, there's no real reason for it that I can say other than they have gotten away from their style of play. The Coyotes are devoted to a pack mentality and during the regular season any of the top three lines seemed capable of playing against any unit from the opposing team. Now, it seems as if they are struggling so hard to play the way that Shane Doan has (which is fabulous) that they are losing track of the right style of play that got them this far. This has been particularly true of the Vernon Fiddler - Taylor Pyatt - Lee Stempniak unit which hasn't really been much of a factor in the games.

Carl - Too many of the players have played passive.  I'm not talking about not hitting.  I'm talking about not being aggressive.  They appear intimidated which makes little sense since they had shown an ability to play with the Wings the last two seasons.

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Which Coyote skater has impressed you the most during the playoffs so far? Which has been the most disappointing?

Jordan - Hard to say anyone but Shane Doan - he's been simply incredible. Martin Hanzal and Radim Vrbata have been pretty solid as well, playing strong defense and adding a couple goals and offensive presence. As for the disappointments, as we are limiting this to skaters, Ed Jovanovski is first and foremost in my mind. It seems clear that he's running at less than 100% and that's just not working against a highly skilled Detroit team. This was no more evident than right before the first goal in game 3 when Darren Helm (a guy significantly smaller than Jovo) was able to knock Jovo four feet off the puck in order to steal the puck and make the pass to set up the goal. Jovo wouldn't still be wearing the cage unless he was still recovering and it's clear that those few games he got in before the end of the regular season didn't get him back to game shape. Hopefully Derek Morris will be back tonight and can shore up a shaky defensive line.

Carl - Most impressive would be the Captain.  He's taken  a penalty or two that he shouldn't have, but besides that he's been consistent from shift to shift and has been the Yotes best player by far in every zone.  I also think Radim Vrbata and Taylor Pyatt have played well.  Both are going to the net and trying to create scoring chances.  The issue has been the play of their linemates.  I'm not totally convinced Martin Hanzal is 100%.  Vern Fiddler is having his second straight disappointing postseason.  However, the most disappointing has been Keith Yandle. If you had told me before the series that a young Coyote would have struggled I wouldn't have been surprised.  Of course, I'd have have figured it would be Kyle Turris.  Turris has actually played fairly well.  Yandle, on the other hand, has looked timid in all three zones and his slow decision making has been costly.  I think Bryz's struggles have overshadowed Yandle's poor play. 


Do you believe any lineup changes would have made a difference in the results of the first three playoff games against the Red Wings?

Jordan - As I said above, I think Derek Morris would have made a difference on the defensive end. I'm also not entirely sold on what Andrew Ebbett brought to the lineup. When Ebbett is playing his best, he's winning lots of faceoffs and playing decently on the penalty kill. Ebbett hasn't really been taking faceoffs and is barely even noticeable on the penalty kill or otherwise. Paul Bissonnette was actually playing very well with Turris in the final few games (clearing space, drawing penalties) and it would have been nice to see him get a shot at playing this series - maybe tonight.

Carl - I have been surprised Coach Tippet didn't stick with the 4th line that was playing well down the stretch.  As Jordan mentioned, Paul Bissonnette had been playing well.  However, that one small change on the 4th line wasn't going to make the difference given that the Coyotes struggles have been widespread. 



What do you feel the Coyotes need to do in Game 4 in order to send the series back to Detroit?

Jordan - Just tighten up the play, stop chasing it so much (particularly Datsyuk) and for god's sake don't get imitated by the Red Wings just because they are the Wings. It would be nice to see Bryz play the way he's capable of and just compete with this team the way they did during the regular season.

Carl - A sustained forecheck to keep the play more in the Wings zone.  Bryz needs to play better than he has to date.  Better decision making when making passes.  In a nutshell, no more passive play.

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A round table with two people? Here are my pity answers lol :P

Keep in mind I dont have tv, so I am going off gameday and radio. No way would I have thought this would be a 3-0 series for either team. I thought this series was going 7 games, no matter what.

Which Coyote skater has impressed you the most during the playoffs so far? Which has been the most disappointing?
Doan has really stepped it up, as always. I think he is our sole highlight. I know you said skaters, but without a doubt Bryzgalov has been the most disappointing. He is our best player with or without Doan. I think he has gotten into his head he needs to win 1-0 or 2-1 every night. Does he really miss Z that much? Shouldnt the acquisition of Klesla have taken some of that burden off?

Do you believe any lineup changes would have made a difference in the results of the first three playoff games against the Red Wings?
I wasnt aware there were any changes, but they should have just stuck with what was working in March and in 4 games in April. If it isnt broken, dont fix it.

What do you feel the Coyotes need to do in Game 4 in order to send the series back to Detroit?
I thought Bryz would have had a shutout by now. I thought game 3 he would have seen we were down 2-0 in the series and built a wall. I dont get it with him. He has a Stanely Cup ring, so it shouldnt be the pressure of the playoffs that are getting to him. We have a good defensive system, so that cant really be it. Maybe he is fatigued and isnt telling anyone (although why would he). I had been saying to have Barbs start against eitehr Colorado or Dallas to prevent a potential burnout by Bryzgalov. Was I right?
Other than that, we need to play balls to the wall, take no prisoners. We have nothing to lose at this point. We are playing for pride. If we manage 4 straight wins, that is awesome, but It would be equally awesome if we wore down Detroit and they got swept out of the next round by Nashville.

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by justin1985 on Apr 20, 2011 1:39 PM MST reply actions  

Actually, looks like Detroit would play SJ.

(of course, it is small sample size, so anything can happen from here on out)

Per Mare, Per Terras

by justin1985 on Apr 20, 2011 1:45 PM MST up reply actions  

Outsider's perspective

Take with as many grains of salt as you’d like:

While the Coyotes special teams struggles were documented during the season and mentioned by multiple people in last week’s Roundtable, the team had excelled during even strength play during the season. Any thoughts on why they have struggled during with it thus far in the postseason?

Detroit’s forwards are playing with a lot more aggression getting back on the puck than they did during the regular season. This is helping to slow down the Phoenix Rush and giving the defensemen just a little more time to get back on pucks to help clear them out. I would say that Phoenix’s group of forwards are not cycling as well against the more aggressive in-zone play and, as a result are not making the extra room needed to get the play to the middle of the ice. They’re also being a little overly selective about the shots they’re taking. If Howard is as human as everybody thinks he is, he’s going to give up rebounds. The Phoenix forwards are not getting those kinds of reboundable shots on net and are not getting to those high-traffic areas in time to get the rebounds.

Which Coyote skater has impressed you the most during the playoffs so far? Which has been the most disappointing?

It’s impossible for anybody to say anything other than Shane Doan here for the reasons laid out above (and despite his penalties in game three). I’d also echo that I think Hanzal did a very good job defensively in game three. For disappointments, I’d say that it looks like Ed Jovanovski simply can’t cut it. Yandle is struggling too and, although I’m not sure what the Coyotes’ system looks like when it’s working, I’m pretty sure it doesn’t look like Yandle alone on an island with none of his teammates within 25 feet of him. All of his mistakes have looked like that so far.

Do you believe any lineup changes would have made a difference in the results of the first three playoff games against the Red Wings?

I don’t know about this. I do know that I’m glad the Wings haven’t had to face Derek Morris though.

What do you feel the Coyotes need to do in Game 4 in order to send the series back to Detroit?

They look like they need to trust their goalie and their teammates a little bit more. Detroit’s putting together a team system that makes it very hard to crack, but to just try to push through that is not going to accomplish the job. It’s hard to do when you’re going out to try to “set the tone”, but patience is going to be important. If a play isn’t there, trying to force it is going to lead to mistakes, and that’s what Detroit’s been capitalizing on all series long. Force the Wings to make some mistakes of their own and then jump. Do so decisively.

by J.J. from Kansas on Apr 20, 2011 1:54 PM MST reply actions  

Most of your points are spot on J.J.

I wouldn’t worry too much about DMo. While he played great last year against the Wings, this season he hasn’t been anywhere near as good. However, he certainly couldn’t have been worse and he is Yandle’s security blanket.

While the focus of the questions was on the Yotes there is no doubt the Wings are playing better themselves than they did in last years series, especially on the blueline. They are giving the Coyotes far less time/space this time around. Last year I thought the Yotes were the more aggresive team in the series and the Wings skill won it for them. This year I think the Wings are not only more skilled, but also the more aggressive team. They are the ones forcing the turnovers and clogging passing lanes this time around.

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by Carl Putnam on Apr 20, 2011 2:47 PM MST up reply actions  

- Any thoughts on why they have struggled during with it thus far in the postseason?

It doesn’t feel like they’re playing the same Tippet defense th got them to the postseason. It almost seems like they’re trying so hard to be aggressive & make scoring chances that defense has become less of a priority.

Which Coyote skater has impressed you the most during the playoffs so far? Which has been the most disappointing?

Doan. His numbers were one assist behind Datsyuk after Game 2 & it pissed me off to no end to not see any recognition from the broadcasters.

Do you believe any lineup changes would have made a difference in the results of the first three playoff games against the Red Wings?

I was hoping Barbs, BizNasty & Yonkman would have played in Game 3. Seeing that the Wangs had Bryz figured out in the first 2 games would have made me pull him before getting to do or die time. I think the other 2 would have been great to keep the energy going & add more physical presence.

What do you feel the Coyotes need to do in Game 4 in order to send the series back to Detroit?

Go back to a defense first system. Puck control will follow. If they stop giving up 2-3 goals from 75% defense, the 1-2 goals of offense would be plenty.

by ChadInGlendale on Apr 20, 2011 2:48 PM MST reply actions  

Hate to say it, but they have had the better goalie...

Though Bryz is not responsible for many of the goals, the stops seem to keep getting made on the other end of the ice. It seems every shot is getting deflected which obviously makes it difficult on Bryz, but he has yet to really win the goalie battle. I think its possible to lose a game and still “win” the goalie battle, and that simply hasn’t happened. Hate to say it, but Howard has been more impressive than Bryz in this series. 4 Goals allowed in each game just isn’t going to cut it obviously. If you take away goals that Bryz should have stopped, it would be closer to 2 per game, and the Coyotes maybe could’ve stolen back one of the 3 losses. I hope I’m not sounding like I’m putting this all on Bryz, its no my intention, its just that I felt like the Yotes chances lied squarely on Bryz playing near flawless games, and they have been far from flawless which is disappointing. We can say that losing D Mo has been hard, but they are w/o their leading scorer, so I really thought the Coyotes would put up more of a fight than they have.

by Gildo on Apr 20, 2011 3:47 PM MST reply actions  

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