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The Five for Howling Roundtable: Day of the Dead Edition

Greetings Phoenix Coyotes fans.  After taking a week off, we are back with another roundtable.  This week the Five for Howling staff takes a look at where things stand 10 games into the season, last week's trade, and expectations for Coyotes rookie Andy Miele.

Thoughts on the Coyotes play 10 games into the season?

Jordan: I've been pretty thoroughly pleased with the Coyotes thus far. They have had a bit of up and down, but I think the underlying play has been good. There are only 3 games where they've been beaten in regulation and those were against 3 of the probably top 5 teams in the Western Conference, and they deserved a better fate in the first game against the Kings. It sucks giving Dallas 4 points when you could have held them without any, but that's ok as well. Otherwise, they've been pretty solid in the 5 wins showing balanced scoring, solid special teams play (particularly on the PK), stout defense and better than average goaltending. I don't know that Coyotes fans have anything to be upset about this early in the season with the 5-3-2 Desert Dogs.

Carl:  I have been pleasantly surprised overall. So far the penalty kill and goaltending have been better than expected.  The penalty kill is a huge improvement over last season.  Mike Smith has been a steady presence in net and his puck handling skills have really seemed to help the team's breakouts.  I have noticed the team is struggling much less to get the puck into the offensive zone which has been a big issue for the club for what seems like the last decade.  Smith's ability to get the puck moving up ice before other teams can get their defenses set is a big advantage for the club.  The power play is about what I expected.  I'm guessing it will likely ebb and flow all season. The offense has clicked and if they can get both the Langkow and Hanzal lines going at the same time they could really start scoring in bunches.  Maybe the team can talk to scientists about cloning Ray Whitney?

My only concern is on the blueline. Specifically the Keith Yandle - Derek Morris pairing. Similar to stretches of last season, the pairing has struggled at times. Morris was on the ice for both late goals in the games against the Stars and played a part in both. When Michal Rozsival returns I would like to see him paired with Yandle.   The good news is Rusty Klesla and David Schlemko have been playing extremely well together and Coach Tippett has rewarded them with increased ice time.  Adrian Aucoin continues to quietly play an effective positional game and his partner Oliver Ekman-Larsson has played well given his limited experience. 

Travis: They've had a couple big losses, but the team has largely stayed in games and played hard in the majority of them. The goaltending has been huge with Mike Smith playing well once the defense started gelling a bit better. The Hanzal-Whitney-Vrbata line has been amazing both offensive and defensively and while Shane Doan may be our #1 player, that's the top line on the team right now and hopefully will be for a while yet.

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What is your opinion on the Cal O'Reilly trade?

Jordan: Good deal for the Coyotes who get an asset for almost nothing. It's the type of depth signing that may prove more beneficial than it looks on paper. He's a big guy that could spell Miele for a game when playing a grittier team (LA or Anaheim come to mind). In the end, a 4th round pick is a crapshoot at best, so this was pretty much something for nothing in my view.

Carl: An excellent value move.  I would give up a 4th round pick for an NHL player any day.  O'Reilly allows the team more flexibility and depth at center.  This is going to be important as the season moves along and guys in inevitably get injured.

Travis: Good trade for center depth and a player that basically replaces Kyle Turris just in case he was hoping we, or anyone would really *need* him for anything. Cal O' Reilly has put up comparable numbers and doesn't have all the baggage even though he does get dinged up a bit.

 

What are your expectations for Andy Miele the rest of the season?

Jordan: I really don't have any expectations in terms of production or anything like that. I hope that Tippett keeps giving him ice time because I've been impressed with his ability to create offensive opportunities in his limited play thus far. He still needs to learn how to find the soft spots in the defense so that he is not just getting crushed in the corner or lost in the shuffle, but that will come with time (and also I think from watching Ray Whitney on a nightly basis). With the lack of significant offensive talent, I think Miele has a definite role on this team if Tip will give him a fair shake. I really enjoyed seeing him out there with Shane Doan and Mikkel Boedker against Dallas - it was a really exciting unit.

Carl:  I have none other than he improves his overall game. If he's a better player in March than he was in October then he will have met my expectations. This is his first year as a pro and he's not a top ten pick type of talent. He may not even stick with the big club the rest of the season.  Jordan makes excellent points about what areas he needs to improve on. I have little concern about his ability to adjust. He has the right mentality for a guy coming into the league with his size.  He knows he's going to have to outwork guys and learn how to fight through traffic and checks. The fans and the organization just need to be patient with him as he learns.

Travis: Just to keep working hard. He was lighting up the AHL in his short time there. Since being here though he's seen his ice time slowly decrease as he adjusts to the even bigger and faster NHL game. He's shown flashes of being a special player, but he'll need to keep plugging along and earning ice time. He's shown he's a good guy and a more humble personality and that should work in his favor in getting a regular spot down the road with the personality of this team and coaching staff.

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How do you guys feel about Kyle Turris?

Do you ever see him being productive in a Coyotes uniform?
Should we trade him and get what we can for him?
Will he ever be an above average player in the league? He has shown talent but I’m beginning to question whether he will gain the toughness and dedication.

by Superfizzogotflow on Nov 1, 2011 8:12 PM MST reply actions  

I’m so pissed off at his arrogance that at this point I’m basically of the thought that we just say fuck him and let him sit the year. Of course that changes if closer to December the offers for him start getting ridiculous. Then trade the dead weight.

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by Yotes Lover on Nov 1, 2011 8:22 PM MST up reply actions  

Basically,

this.

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by justin1985 on Nov 1, 2011 9:17 PM MST up reply actions  

I don’t know what happened behind the scenes, but I can’t imagine if he had come to the team early in the summer with a trade request they wouldn’t have looked to make a deal. If a player doesn’t want to play for your team normally you grant his wish. But, who knows maybe they did.

He could be productive in a Coyotes uniform, but the way things are going I don’t see that happening. I think he gets dealt eventually.

He certainly can be. I’ve got no crystal ball with an answer to your question though.

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by Carl Putnam on Nov 2, 2011 9:31 AM MST up reply actions  

I think Turris will eventually be successful in the NHL, whether that is possible with Phoenix or not at this point, I don’t know. I don’t know what happened behind the scenes or what he thought should have happened. He was certainly getting every opportunity to be successful at the end of the year and was one of the best players on the team the final month of the season and in the playoffs. So everything looked primed for a big year this year. If he was still bothered by what happened to him during the Gretzky years then he’s being a bit petulant holding that against the organization. No doubt, they screwed up, but they’ve more than rectified that problem with the way they treated him last year which was both fair and in his best interests to develop as an NHL player.

I know he wants to get the same attention as Kane and VanRiemsdyk, but they’ve played some incredible hockey to get that attention. Turris may get there, but he is such a different player from them that his development path is different. It’s a shame that he doesn’t want to follow that path in Phoenix, but that seems to be the case. GMDM has all the authority here and I think it really is going to require a great offer from a team in order to get him to make a deal. So that works in our favor. We will all just have to wait and see what happens, but I wouldn’t be surprised if something happens before the December 1 deadline.

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by Jordan Ellel on Nov 2, 2011 9:41 PM MST up reply actions  

Agreed, the interesting part of this is that while Maloney has said that he would stand pat, he is in complete control. Turris could sign a qualifying offer, but the money would have to be so high for us not to match, and we would be happy to pick up the draft picks in exchange. Otherwise, we match and he goes straight to Portland.

With the deadline of Dec 1st, we will also see a fair amount of questions and offers, and maybe it forces a team to give into a request for a player that was not an option a few weeks ago. If the offers are poor, then Turris sits for a year, his development takes a larger hit, and he has really put himself into a tough position with teammates and management – and that doesn’t necessarily speak to who would be his current teammates in Phoenix…

by BUX7PHX on Nov 1, 2011 10:29 PM MST reply actions  

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