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Coyote Tracks - Bitter Winnipeg Tears Wednesday May 12 Edition

NHL Deputy Commissioner Bill Daly addresses the Glendale City Council during its open meeting on November 11, 2010 (photo courtesy of @jordanellel)

Look.  I really, really, really, really, really hope that Winnipeg gets an NHL team back some day.  I do.  I want Quebec City to get a team back, and Hartford to for good measure.  I'm a fan of all of these franchises.  They represent great moments in the NHL's history and have all left fanbases that long for the return of the NHL to their fair cities.  After watching the flooding of the message boards by the Winnipeg faithful, however, I might be changing my mind.  I don't think it gets much better than this guy:

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Wow, just wow...wow, wow, wow.  One thing I'd like to note to this banned poster, and any other Winnipeg residents that want to take things out on us Coyotes fans.  WE DID NOT CHOOSE TO TAKE YOUR TEAM!!!  WE ARE NOT THE PEOPLE THAT BOUGHT THE FRANCHISE AND MOVED THEM!!!  (I will stop yelling now)

I'm sorry you lost your franchise.  After the last 2 offseasons of getting a decent idea of what it would feel like, I empathize with you and wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.  Which is why I'm so disappointed in the vitriol that you are spewing at us, the fans.  Hate the NHL for what they did all you want...hate the former owners that couldn't make it work...but the hatred directed at other folks that love hockey is just misplaced.

I was going to do a full recap of the city council meeting last night, and I still might get to it at some point.  But I think if you were following on Twitter (@brahmresnik @Yotesgurl @TheYotesDiva @architecture101 @jordanellel (other folks were covering as well but I can't think of them off the top of my head)) you got a pretty good feel for what went down.  Suffice it to say...the council voted unanimously to approve granting authority to the City Manager to agree to cover the Coyotes losses should a sale to a new owner not be completed before the end of the summer, which everyone made clear should not happen. 

Two interesting points of note:  (1) Numerous times, Mayor Scruggs and/or other council members suggested that there were "MOUs" that were being discussed, as in more than 1.  Hopefully this means that the council has agreed to an MOU with IEH as well as Reinsdorf and they are going to take 2 shots at making this work.  I know we here are all fully behind IEH, but really...just get it done, however possible.  (2) I spoke with Coyotes President Doug Moss prior to the meeting and discussed possibly interviewing him for the site.  He was all for it and gave me his card because I needed to get home to the wife and dinner by the time the meeting wrapped up.  So, fair Five For Howling readers, please let me know what you'd like me to ask Mr. Moss when I give him a call later this week.  Just leave questions in the comments and I'll put it all together and what-not.

LAST NIGHT'S NHL SCORE:  Blackhawks 5 - Canucks 1 (Chicago wins series 4-2)  I have nothing to say about this game because I was kinda busy at the City Council meeting and I haven't even seen highlights on On The Fly because it was a Tuesday and I had to watch Lost...

After the jump, Winnipeg Free Press' take on the Glendale vote, other random crap...I don't remember what it all is, just follow the jump...

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Glendale council OKs NHL requirements for Coyotes - Winnipeg Free Press
GLENDALE, Ariz. — The return of the NHL to Winnipeg appears to be on hold for another year . . .

Coyotes, Jets, and The Montreal Canadiens | Bourne's Blog
Earlier in the day yesterday Justin Bourne checked in with his thoughts on the situation and then freaked us out on Twitter right before the council meeting...seriously, we were perplexed...

KuklasKorner : Hockey
Everyone knows nothing about anything...that's my feeling.  We're not out of the woods yet, but things seem to be moving in the right direction at least...

Phoenix Winnipeg Coyote-Jets, Episode 600: Attack of the Confusion - From The Rink
Who will own the Phoenix Coyotes? Where will they play? At this point, the twists and turns only tell us that there will be more twists and turns.

And by far my favorite tweet from last night's meeting:  @IceEdgeDJ: Ice edge supports winnipeg as the back up plan to the back up plan, Reinsdorf.

Well played, sir...

Getting off of all the ownership stuff...

I think we can agree that this is luck... - Behind The Net
Hitting posts analysis...great stuff as always from Gabe...

Throwing condoms at Flyers fans is new playoff tension-breaker - Puck Daddy - NHL Blog - Yahoo! Sports
Man, I hope the Flyers fans don't stoop to these guys' level tonight because it will be all we hear about...

13 Hockey Goalie Masks In Pop Culture | Gunaxin Sports
Here we have Mr. Voorhees and 12 other instances of the goalie mask popping up in film, music, and video games.  And there's your whimsy.

Tonight: Penguins-Canadiens game 7, Flyers-Bruins game 6...should be another great night of hockey...

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Come on now, most of the Coyotes comments from that link are no better and just as mean-spirited. Even this headline is unnecessary. This subject is a wound that has never healed and all the emotion has come back to us the last week, and being used as leverage hurts even more. Of course there’s going to be some idiots, especially on the internet.

by Dave Smith on May 12, 2010 7:07 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

I agree…and I only used the headline as a reference to a comment made in the article that made me giggle. It is probably unnecessarily harsh. Here’s the thing, though. The folks that come to this site are Coyotes fans by and large. So if you come to the site and decide to be one of those idiots, then you are going to get it back at you in spades. I don’t go to the Winnipeg Free Press site and post comments about Winnipeg fans or anything. Nobody on this site will ever say that it’s fair and balanced…we’re not Fox News (/sarcasm)…we’re perfectly happy to have a discussion on the merits, but my job is stressful enough, I don’t need my hobbies to add to it.

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by Jordan Ellel on May 12, 2010 8:50 AM MST up reply actions  

ITS A COYOTES WEBSITE

I don’t go to Jets blogs and and pee in your cornflakes. Do the math.

I like my goals like I like my booze..... Top shelf.

by GhostOfLinkGaetz on May 12, 2010 9:17 AM MST up reply actions  

Calm down, good on you. Trolling the trolls makes you look just as bad, even if it is your home site.

by Dave Smith on May 12, 2010 10:07 AM MST up reply actions  

I don’t really think you’re trolling, fwiw. You have to excuse Ghost…he’s our main piss and vinegar man around these parts.

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by Jordan Ellel on May 12, 2010 10:15 AM MST up reply actions  

Not to mention funny

Its like any forum – the regulars have their own personalities.

I also have to defend the comments in the ‘you don’t know how to skate’ thread – we’re having a bit of fun with the troll there. We have a huge feeling of relief as coyotes fans and as such are having a laugh amongst ourselves.

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by TimmyHate on May 12, 2010 2:01 PM MST up reply actions  

Agree with Dave Smith

The trolls online are generally the ones that speak loudest. I posted on FFH back on May 8th, 2009 about the Pain and Loss of Losing a Franchise. (although at the time, Southern Ontario and not Wpg was seen as the Yotes destination).

….I became a bit more pragmatic and realized that I stood to gain nothing by hating the Coyotes. It isn’t the City of Phoenix’s fault that the Jets left so why should we wish them ill?

And the truth is I still feel this way. Would I love to see the return of the Jets. Absolutely!! But it doesn’t force me to degenerate into demeaning an entire city.

Hopefully the comments and articles from both sides stay focussed on the issues and can move past the vitriol.

p.s. Go Suns.

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by WpgMikos on May 12, 2010 7:25 AM MST reply actions  

What a difference a year makes.

Look, just by showing up and announcing you’re a Jets fan is enough to put anyone on the defensive. And yes, last year it was ’ Oh, we feel your pain", and ’we’re sympathetic to what you’re going through’, and my favorite ’ We’d never wish that on anyone". One hint of moving back to Winnipeg, and it’s ‘UP YOURS YOTES FANS YOU DIDNT DESERVE THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE". Forgive my negative stance, but coming on here saying something to the effect of ’ Guess we’ll have to wait one more year to get our Jets back" does nothing for this community. Nothing but piss people off.

We don’t want to hear about the Jets. I didn’t steal the Jets from you. Who am I to deal with the brunt of Jets fans hate ?

I like my goals like I like my booze..... Top shelf.

by GhostOfLinkGaetz on May 12, 2010 8:39 AM MST up reply actions  

I think you’re talking about two different sets of people here. Guys like Mikos (who lost his team) and me (who almost lost his team), have come to terms with what’s happened, and are sympathetic to your plight, not wanting more pain caused by the shortsightedness and poor planning of a few. There are other guys like Captain Pencildick linked above and the other Jets trolls who lost their team and still carry the spite after 15 years, even though they may not even remember a time when Dale Hawerchuk, Mr. Winnipeg Jets himself, was actually a Jet.

I would be astonished if there’s a statistically significant overlap between those two groups, and I don’t think it helps anything to conflate the two.

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by Doogie2K on May 12, 2010 10:56 AM MST up reply actions  

I know what you're saying.

But it only takes one to represnt the rest as idiots. Especially when you take into consideration that the only time we see Winnipeg people in these parts is when the talk of the Coyotes relocating back to Winnipeg arises. Winnipeg people NEEEEEVER post here. Suddenly you’re on the verge of taking the Coyotes back, and coming here makes it look solely like you’re hetre to gloat, whether you are or not.

I like my goals like I like my booze..... Top shelf.

by GhostOfLinkGaetz on May 12, 2010 11:28 AM MST up reply actions  

Fair enough. I can certainly see how you’d eye everyone with suspicion given the circumstances.

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by Doogie2K on May 12, 2010 11:57 AM MST up reply actions  

Everyone...

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by Travis Hair on May 12, 2010 12:06 PM MST up reply actions  

Hey man, I’m just here for the nachos. I hear they’re made with real cheese, not that Velveeta shit they gave me in Nashville. Ruined a perfectly good pulled pork nacho tray.

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by Doogie2K on May 12, 2010 3:57 PM MST up reply actions  

There are more players in the NHL from Manitoba than there are season ticket holders in Phoenix.

This made me laugh.

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by 49er16 on May 12, 2010 7:49 AM MST reply actions  

Being a Jets fan

Isn’t just being a Jets fan in 2010, akin to being a fan of the History Channel?

by Larry_in_PHX on May 12, 2010 10:29 AM MST reply actions  

I’m afraid Winnipeg may get its team one way or another. If they don’t get it from Phoenix, I get the feeling the Thomson group will switch their attention towards Atlanta.

Btw, congrats! However, a warning to both Phoenix and Winnipeg fans, there is still a lot that has to be done before anything is guaranteed. Right now, if this were a hockey game, this event turned a 2-1 Winnipeg lead into a 2-2 tie going into the 1st intermission.

by Frag on May 12, 2010 10:53 AM MST reply actions  

I like your analogy, although I think the score went from a 2-2 tie to a 4-2 Phoenix lead heading into the 2nd intermission after two late goals. But that’s besides the point.

There are still plenty of things that need to get worked out. First and foremost, based on what I was hearing from the Mayor and Council, there might be 2 MoUs out there…only one has publicly been approved, so they need to approve the 2nd one if they want to keep moving forward there. Then IEH and JR need to get their proposals in order, get the CFD created, get the approval of the NHL and the Board of Governors and actually make the purchase. That’s a lot to get done in not a lot of time…hopefully this approval just lets GMDM know that there is money he has available to him so he can start negotiating with the RFAs and UFAs here.

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by Jordan Ellel on May 12, 2010 11:00 AM MST up reply actions  

The reason why its 2-2 going into the 1st intermission is that Winnipeg still can find other means to bring an NHL team, not just from Phoenix.

This whole debacle has been a roller coaster ride. Its confusing even to the people trying to buy the team. What a mess!

by Frag on May 12, 2010 11:09 AM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, but if you’re just talking Phx – ‘Peg the ’Yotes have a big advantage. If we’re bringing in third teams, we’re really playing a game more like Hungry Hungry Hippos and who knows how to really keep score?

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by Jordan Ellel on May 12, 2010 11:18 AM MST up reply actions  

Um hello, its the hippo at the end that has all the marbles.

by CheckingCzechs on May 12, 2010 1:11 PM MST up reply actions  

well, yeah…but that’s at the end. No way to keep score when you’re just slamming on the handles though…that would be crazy!

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by Jordan Ellel on May 12, 2010 1:12 PM MST up reply actions  

No matter what

This analogy is getting strained.

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by TimmyHate on May 12, 2010 2:18 PM MST up reply actions  

This whole situation is confusing. I guess Hungry Hungry Hippos is a better analogy of what’s going on right now.

by Frag on May 12, 2010 6:23 PM MST up reply actions  

How do people in Glendale feel about using all of this public funding to keep the team in town? I understand that JR wants to mitigate his losses, but this seems sort of wrong. I’m not trying to get into the whole winnipeg/phoenix thing. I know you guys are fans, and obviously want to keep your team, but how many of you actually live in Glendale and agree with this deal? Just curious. Also, do you think this deal will hold up during a challenge from Goldwater?

by birky on May 12, 2010 11:45 AM MST reply actions  

Well, it depends upon how the CFD is going to be structured. The thing that was made clear last night is that the intention is that it will not directly tax any residents solely because they are residents of Glendale. That leads me to believe that it’s going to be a type of sales/use tax directed at Westgate and the surrounding area where if you are using the resources you are paying for it. Hard to complain about that really. The truth is that these businesses are going to get killed if the Coyotes leave. They do OK on days without a game or concert, but they really bring in the $$$ on game day.

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by Jordan Ellel on May 12, 2010 11:50 AM MST up reply actions  

More complicated than that.

It’s not really public money, but it kind of is. It’s nuanced which means that the media has no idea how to accurately report it.

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by Travis Hair on May 12, 2010 11:50 AM MST up reply actions  

Relentless pursuit of a failed strategy

I would be furious as a resident of Glendale. 25 million dollars on a failed business strategy after God-only -knows how much on an empty arena. This sounds like a one year thing. Is that right? After 2011 when the UFA’s have left and the team tanks and attendance is weak – what then? It’s okay to admit that hockey can’t take root where it’s 70 degrees in January, It’s okay. In Vermont hockey starts at 3 years old and border leagues play in Quebec. There are back yard rinks and lakes, ponds and rivers freeze. Public outdoor rinks are common. It just seems foolish business practice to pursue this. It’d be like a Canadian trying to get backing for an after school outdoor swimming program. program i

by mrjackstraw on May 12, 2010 12:23 PM MST reply actions  

See my comment above about where the money is coming from. I’m getting tired of arguing things over and over and over again…and tired about arguing that it’s not a failed strategy. If that’s what you want to believe, there’s nothing I can do to change your mind. If you were in the building for any game post-Christmas last year you’d have a hard time saying it’s a failed strategy with a straight face.

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by Jordan Ellel on May 12, 2010 12:43 PM MST up reply actions  

Totally off topic

WE DID NOT CHOOSE TO TAKE YOUR TEAM!!! WE ARE NOT THE PEOPLE THAT BOUGHT THE FRANCHISE AND MOVED THEM!!!

LOUD NOISES

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by TimmyHate on May 12, 2010 1:58 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

Oh man, I love that movie…

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by Jordan Ellel on May 12, 2010 2:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Its awesome

So many good quotes. My team for Ultimate was called sex panther for a number of years.

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by TimmyHate on May 12, 2010 3:30 PM MST up reply actions  

Also

Snicker

Ice edge supports winnipeg as the back up plan to the back up plan, Reinsdorf.

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by TimmyHate on May 12, 2010 2:02 PM MST reply actions  

You're a bunch of lying assholes.

I really really hate how you all start off with your insincere sentiment, ‘oh, I really hope to see Winnipeg get a team back’ – but not YOUR team, right? Well, as long as Winnipeg gets a team through taking it from somewhere else, it’s alright. Except, don’t you think that their fans would have a problem with that? That they too would be really upset to see their team leave? God, you Americans are so ignorant and hateful.

 And as an aside, ‘your’ team should be in Winnipeg. They fought harder to keep the team than your fair weather fans ever could. It’s pathetic how half of you are spouting crap like, ’oh maaa gawd, how can a whole city hate us? We never took their team…" and the other half sit there and spew insults at a city that has already suffered enough. Fuck you Coyote fans, fuck you.

by fuckyouyotes on May 12, 2010 3:58 PM MST reply actions  

Can I get a ban hammer over here

Ban hammer Isle 1.

Actually we do hope winnipeg get a team back – not insincere, in fact I’d be in line to buy a Jets jersey.

more to come – working

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by TimmyHate on May 12, 2010 4:05 PM MST up reply actions  

done and done.

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by Jordan Ellel on May 12, 2010 4:21 PM MST up reply actions  

…expansion?

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by Doogie2K on May 12, 2010 4:08 PM MST up reply actions  

exxxxactly.

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by Jordan Ellel on May 12, 2010 4:22 PM MST up reply actions  

God, you Americans are so ignorant and hateful.
And your not? We’re not the ones saying fuck you to fans who just want there team.

And as an aside, ‘your’ team should be in Winnipeg.
No they SHOULD be in Phoenix – if I recall correctly, WPG could not support the team, All the support in the world didn’t overcome that.

sit there and spew insults at a city that has already suffered enough
And you sit there are spew insults at a city and fanbase that have also suffered enough.

I can play this game too…lets try followup post

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by TimmyHate on May 12, 2010 4:17 PM MST up reply actions  

You know what

I can’t muster the bitterness to mock your original post anymore. Your banned. You joined just to troll.

Yet we’re the assholes.

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by TimmyHate on May 12, 2010 4:30 PM MST up reply actions  

Nail on the head.

Get your own team, eskimo. You couldn’t keep this one around, so why should you get it back? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! have fun with the Moose!

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by GhostOfLinkGaetz on May 12, 2010 6:28 PM MST up reply actions  

The best reply to this statement

LOLUMAD

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by Kevin Sellathamby on May 13, 2010 9:08 AM MST up reply actions  

TimmyHate.

Yeah, that’s a good idea. You probably should ban me. It’ll make it that much easier for you all to sit here congratulating each other on keeping a stolen team once everyone who has disagreed with you can’t comment.

And, really? You’d buy a Jet’s jersey? Don’t make me laugh. If you cared about the Jets at all, you’d understand why Winnipeg fans want the Coyotes back in particular. Jets fans actually attended the games and loved the players… If another team goes back there it wouldn’t be the same – the retired numbers wouldn’t be theirs so to speak.

But, whatever. You can continue to believe that you’d actually support the Jets if they returned. And continue to believe that you deserve a sports team while the majority of Canadians root against you.

by fuckyouyotes on May 12, 2010 4:18 PM MST reply actions  

Yes, you are already banned, so this is probably pointless, but I’ll reply just in case you are still reading this. We don’t ban people because we don’t care about conflicting ideas. We ban people that aren’t even speaking rationally and are just here cursing us mindlessly. You fall into the latter half. You don’t know how we feel and you can’t speak for me or the others that really would love nothing more than to see hockey come back to past markets. Sorry that is so hard for you to grasp.

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by Jordan Ellel on May 12, 2010 4:26 PM MST up reply actions  

And if being nice doesn't suit you

You’re banned for being a dick.

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by GhostOfLinkGaetz on May 12, 2010 6:30 PM MST up reply actions  

Ghost

You have a nack for paraphrasing :).

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by TimmyHate on May 12, 2010 6:33 PM MST up reply actions  

Hey, you want piss and vinegar?

Give me an inch, and I’ll take a yard.

I like my goals like I like my booze..... Top shelf.

by GhostOfLinkGaetz on May 12, 2010 6:38 PM MST up reply actions  

Hey take the retired numbers

Take the history prior to 1996. Leave us Doaner since he’s played longer in the yotes Jerseys.

And hell yes I’d buy a jets jersey. Almost brought the one for sale at the Ice Den but sadly didn’t have the cash.

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by TimmyHate on May 12, 2010 4:36 PM MST up reply actions  

Been reading up on what I've missed

and just perplexed by what some assholes are writing. Just cuz it’s not a traditional market does not mean it can’t work. If thats the case then take out baseball, basketball, and football if they have it in Canada because those are traditional AMERICAN sports. Yea I feel for Winnipeg, but really how old are half of you people on here that post? You only know what you hear about the Jets. If the Coyotes leave, and thats a big IF, I will be more pissed and sad than anyone ever has about losing a team, this team is what feels like my heart and soul. But I won’t dwell on it that we’ve lost them. I respect alot of other fans out there for the passion they have for their country and team, but insulting others Nationalities and teams is no way to get your point across. I’m an Army Vet and take personal offense to some of the previous comments. I feel bad for all the good hearted Canadians out there because you are setting a bad example for your country. Shows your all a bunch of assholes, and I know thats not the case.

There are two coyotes inside every fan, a good one and a bad one, so which coyote do you feed?
TOSS THE SNAKE, TOSS THE SNAKE!

by MPallen23 on May 12, 2010 10:14 PM MST reply actions  

Excellently put

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by TimmyHate on May 13, 2010 12:43 AM MST up reply actions  

If Canadians want the Yotes “Back” from Phoenix, I say we take the Blue Jays, Raptors, Toronto FC, Vancouver Whitecaps, and Montreal Impact out of the leagues they’re in. It’s a freaking joke argument.

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by Whiter Mage on May 13, 2010 1:04 AM MST up reply actions  

I posted months ago that

the Winnipeg market was inappropriate for any major league. It’s just not big enough, TV-wise. The NHL takes a step backward by placing ANY team in any other city than Hamilton, Ontario.

No major league should leave a top 10 US market for any city/market that is well under a metro of 800K, which is Winnipeg. I don’t have time to go back and repost all of the stats I illustrated earlier.

Winnipeg is a perfect AHL Triple A market in the 21st Century. Sorry, but the NHL just can’t be in small markets. Milwaukee isn’t that different in market size from Winnipeg — an NHL franchise would never be placed there. If it wasn’t for the gift of the Bradley Center from the Petit Family, the Bucks would never been able to survive.

Columbus is a small market and I question the NHL’s wisdom on placing a team there.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 13, 2010 6:15 PM MST reply actions  

By saying that Phoenix isn't deserving cuz we don't have real ice...

Is BS. Who really cares when it comes down to it. Since canada is mostly cold weather and cant grow grass does that mean we take baseball away from you? Flagstaff, an hour and a half outside Phoenix, recieved the most snowfall in the US this winter. Look at so many other teams that can’t grow ice in their cities. LA, San Jose, Anaheim, Dallas, Florida, and Tampa Bay. Some need to start over from scratch, but LA a NON TRADITIONAL hockey town is what made the NHL diverse and what it is today. Why are there more hockey teams in the US, because there are more people. Would I love more teams in Canada, you bet, because certain teams are being ran how the Coyotes have been for the last 7 seasons, like shit. But are you going to get rid of the Leafs, or Edmonton cuz they suck, no. I’m so tired of this back and forth banter, I just wanna slam my head into the wall. If people are only here full of piss and vinegar and want to start stuff just leave. This if a place for Coyotes fans, and friends. Az has been hit hard by the economy, I make it as much as I can to a game and I live an hour away. This is not a Jets fandum website, so please respectively just quit coming here, it’s getting old FAST, I’m sorry you’ve lost your team, truly, but because I am american and live in what you call a non-traditional hockey town don’t hate.

THAT WILL BE ALL!

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TOSS THE SNAKE, TOSS THE SNAKE!

by MPallen23 on May 13, 2010 9:08 PM MST reply actions  

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Knights who say Ni

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They call him... Tim?

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