Coyote Tracks - WHITEOUT TGIF April 16 Edition
by Jordan Ellel on Apr 16, 2010 6:00 AM MST
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Tonight is the real test, I feel, for the Phoenix Coyotes. Coming off an inspired effort in game 1 Wednesday night, they've set the tone and sent a loud memo to Mike Babcock and the Red Wings as to what it's going to take to win this series. The Coyotes aren't just content having made the playoffs for the first time in 8 years, they plan on winning a series or 4. In that light,
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Looks like they are going to be putting in a bit more muscle. Good idea. The problem is that it's not just muscle for muscle's sake that Detroit really needed in the 2nd and 3rd periods yesterday as the Coyotes started to control the play. It was a lot of desire and some more juice in their legs. As I mentioned yesterday, the Red Wings have been playing playoff style hockey for 6 weeks now, and they looked tired towards the end of the game. I expect them to come out re-energized tonight. I also have a feeling the Coyotes will be raring to go as well.
One other note about Wednesday night's game. I've read a lot of stuff, and I'll probably link to it a bit after the jump, about how the Coyotes were running players late, intending to injure, etc. etc., particularly Shane Doan. I don't know - maybe I just wasn't seeing everything from my seats, but it just looked like a physical game. This was nothing different than Pittsburgh last year actively targeting Kimmo Timmonen in the opening round against the Flyers; in fact, it wasn't anything like that, because it was indiscriminate. If you had a white jersey on last night and you got the puck, you got hit. Period, end of story.
Second, as for the tin foil hat society; the refs missed a few calls...like they do every single game. The high stick on Nicklas Lidstrom seems to be the most egregious one and I can say that I missed it. Now, I'm not an NHL referee, but Ed Jovanovski took a nice two handed slash during the third that went uncalled, Zbynek Michalek was taken down trying to clear the zone in the second and nothing was called. It was officiating, and it wasn't that one sided. Further, on the "interference" call on the game winner by Derek Morris; I've seen a few replays and it seemed like Darren Helm lost his edge before touching Doan as they both went into the circle after the puck was dropped and they both went down. Maybe in the regular season, first period of a game it gets called, but I was not surprised the refs swallowed their whistles there.
Anyways, whatevs...new game, new officials (maybe)...let's just have more fun with what started out as a great series!
LAST NIGHT'S NHL SCORES: MTL 3 - WSH 2 (OT) (Montreal leads series 1-0); BOS 1 - BUF 2 (Buffalo leads series 1-0); LAK 2 - VAN 3 (OT) (Vancouver leads series 1-0).
After the jump, Wayne Gretzky chats video games and Coyotes, could the NHL salary cup be going up next year, and what is up with the Sedin twins...
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Some video from Wednesday night's whiteout...good times, indeed.
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This is just a wow piece. Even the Detroit fans commenting on it (other than the tinfoil hat society) seem to recognize that the Coyotes were the team outworking the Wings for most of the game.
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Your Friday whimsy are two stories covering the same topics in different ways (kinda like Pearl Jam's "Footsteps" and Temple of the Dog's "Times of Trouble")...
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Ok, PPP has the reigns for the gameday thread and after Wednesday's showing, I imagine that it is going to be a good time that you don't want to miss. If you're in attendance at the game, hopefully we will see you there...Let's Go Coyotes!!! AWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I thought they weren't worried about
our physical play? Bringing in Abeldaker? tells me they are plenty worried.
Go Coyotes!!! I like my Wings stunned and burned!
Takin over the NHL, 1 blocked shot at a time... Go Z!
Their words say "we're not worried & desperate"...
but their roster moves say otherwise.
GO YOTES! F#%K DETROIT!
by Kavel Pubina on Apr 16, 2010 8:51 AM MST up reply actions
That's pretty silly...
Considering Williams is a bloody ghost. The only thing he’s good for the the sparce PP goal and once-a-year dangle.
Abdelkader was going to be going in, it was just a “when will it happen”.
Officiating will likely stay the same
One of the goals in the playoffs for the NHL is to be consistent. They don’t allow any one pair to play the same series twice in a row but they do assign a matchup manager. Rob Shick is responsible for our series and keeping the refereeing consistent.
The players were jawing at the referee after every play on Wednesday. That was about 2 things; telling them about what the other team was doing so that they would look for it, and finding out about how the series was going to be called. As we get deeper into the series the players will have a better idea of what they can and can’t get away with. Which allows them to know where the line is and not cross it like they did a few times on Wednesday night.
In addition the NHL seems to consistently ignore obstruction penalties in the playoffs. The clutching and grabbing goes back to it’s pre-lockout level and the refs let it go. It makes the game a little lower scoring and a lot more physical.
Of course the players were jawing
Rob Schick has been the worst ref in the league since the day he was hired.
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by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Apr 16, 2010 7:53 AM MST up reply actions
Mick McGeough and Don VanMassenhoven approve this message…
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by Jordan Ellel on Apr 16, 2010 9:07 AM MST up reply actions
I was thinking about VanMass, but Schick's got the track record
He’s been terrible since I was 12 years old.
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by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Apr 16, 2010 9:12 AM MST up reply actions
To be honest, I’m just happy that Tom Kowal isn’t ref-ing these games. He’s had a serious beef with the Coyotes for a few years after Gretzky went apeshit on him after some bad calls…
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by Jordan Ellel on Apr 16, 2010 9:16 AM MST up reply actions
Yeah, well.
Bias or not, Schick is terrible. And nwo that Prince Frasier is leaving, I’m still left questioning why Schick still has a job.
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by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Apr 16, 2010 9:24 AM MST up reply actions
Let's just hope
The refs don’t feel the need to make up for the calls. That would suck, but it wouldn’t be the first time it happened.
Can’t wait for tonight!!!!!
Calls get missed both ways every night
For the Jovo slash, I could probably find a few Coyotes transgressions that went unpunished, and you could do the same the other way.
The one that bothers me is the high stick that drew blood from Lidstrom. Follow through or not, it was a high stick that drew blood, which I thought was supposed to be a 4 minute penalty regardless. 6 minutes to go, 4 minutes of powerplay opportunity, and maybe the game ends differently? Who knows?
It isn’t 21 seconds of too many men on the ice egregious, but the first round of worst missed calls goes to (against?) the Red Wings.
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Yeah, I’ll agree (I thought I made it clear above) that the high stick was probably the worst of the calls, but I don’t know where the ref was and what he thought he saw. I would like to clarify a point that makes no difference because of how it is called, but isn’t actually true. The 4 minute double minor isn’t for drawing blood, but rather “causing an injury” Here’s the text:
60.3 Double-minor Penalty – When a player or goalkeeper carries or holds any part of his stick above the shoulders of the opponent so that injury results, the Referee shall assess a double-minor penalty for all contact that causes an injury, whether accidental or careless, in the opinion of the Referee.
Now, you can make the argument that anytime blood is drawn there is an “injury”, and I would agree that Lidstrom requiring 5 stitches definitely would’ve drawn 4 minutes…but I really think the intent of this was for things that are more serious than a little nick like you see get the call all the time. It just always bothers me that they go and investigate whether the guy is bleeding to call the double minor and it’s just BS. And I wish the announcers would learn the frickin’ rules so they didn’t keep spreading the misinformation. Ok, rant over…
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by Jordan Ellel on Apr 16, 2010 9:13 AM MST up reply actions
Well if Lidstrom's head wasn't up his ass, it would've been above his shoulders.
My argument for everything.
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by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Apr 16, 2010 9:17 AM MST up reply actions
I agree completely
There were missed (intentionally overlooked?) calls both ways.
Heck, when I saw the goaltender interference call on you guys in the first, I was really surprised that was called.
Then the “crosscheck” on Kronwall to even it up.
I really hope that this series isn’t going to be a bunch of weak calls, followed by weaker calls to “make up for it”, followed by completely missing the obvious stuff.
And drawing blood has been the standard as long as I’ve been following hockey (going on 30 years) and probably longer than that. Draw blood with a high-stick, its 4 minutes.
I don’t think anything gets intentionally overlooked in all honesty. I’ve been following hockey about as long as you and it’s just hard to see everything that happens all the time. There are 10 skaters and 2 goalies on the ice at all time and the refs are following the puck around and have only 4 eyes to see everything. Given the point that ubiquitous highlights below, it’s possible that in that snap second judgment the referee thought it was a follow through of a shooting motion (doubtful), or, as the ref said, that it was a Detroit player’s stick that caught him (also not clear).
I agree that I’d rather not see weak calls dominate the entire series, but so long as it is consistent and goes both ways, I’ll live with it. I went to a concert last night with a Detroit fan and he was upset about the high stick, but didn’t think it was egregious. He also thought the Doan charge was a bs call, which I even saw one Detroit commentor claim deserved a suspension. So, we’ll be wearing our maroon tinted glasses; wings fans will wear their tinfoil hats (I kid, I kid), and we’ll just hope for another exciting game tonight!
And I agree that the standard has been drawing blood as long as I can remember too…I just don’t think it’s a particularly good standard. As much as I hate to give the refs more subjective authority, I think the double minor should be based on the recklessness of the high stick as opposed to whether you happen to nick the guy’s cheek…
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by Jordan Ellel on Apr 16, 2010 10:34 AM MST up reply actions
I guess I should clarify “intentionally overlooked” as to say that unlike most sports, quite a few calls are very much up to the discretion of the referee in hockey. There are hooks or holds (or charges) that depending on your allegiance are either not called or should have been more. As long as it is consistent, that’s really all I ask for.
The way Doan was throwing his body around, I’m surprised it took that long for a penalty to come out of it. Not because I hate to see physical play, but because some of them were borderline late, and it was only a matter of time before he went to far. Weird to see him playing the physical role as I’ve never really thought of him as a bruiser type of player.
He absolutely is, he just hasn’t played that way in a while. If he keeps it up the goals will come for him too. When he plays hard like that good things happen.
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by Travis Hair on Apr 16, 2010 11:27 AM MST up reply actions
If it was Filppula that high sticked Lidstrom...
He has a really long freaking stick..
This picture is great in that it shows that Fiddler’s stick wasn’t actually high, but Lidstrom was squatting down a lot. This still gets called all the time, but from the definition of “high stick” in the rule book, Fiddler really hadn’t gone too far…imo.
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by Jordan Ellel on Apr 16, 2010 1:12 PM MST up reply actions
technically, its not over lidstrom’s shoulders, but it’s close enough that they would have called it anyway.
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I have absolutely no argument that if the refs had seen it, they would have, and should have called it. It’s just not a really egregious high stick or anything…that’s all I’m saying.
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by Jordan Ellel on Apr 16, 2010 1:32 PM MST up reply actions
not egregious? hitting a player in the mouth so he has to get stitches is not egregious? wow.
by PaulinMiamiBeach on Apr 16, 2010 2:13 PM MST up reply actions
Yes, the Colin Campbell method of judging egregiousness of a play…what was the result, then we’ll determine whether it was egregious or not. By egregious, I meant that Fiddler isn’t wildly swinging his stick around and getting it up over his head or anything. As to your point below, the point I was making is that Fiddler’s stick is below his own shoulders and he is squatting a bit (Fiddler is 5’11"). Lidstrom is very low in his crouch as he is 6’1" and the stick shaft is below his shoulders with the blade reaching up to his face.
You keep wanting to argue this point about how bad a play it was, how awful the officiating was, etc. etc. I think I’ve made it clear that I think they missed the call. But there are extenuating circumstances to it all as well and we can’t know what was seen/was not seen. If you want people that agree with you, I suggest you join Winging it in Motown…they’ll be happy to have you. I’m getting a bit tired of having to keep hashing every point out with you, to be honest.
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by Jordan Ellel on Apr 16, 2010 2:56 PM MST up reply actions
not over his shoulders?
isn’t someone’s mouth over their shoulders?
by PaulinMiamiBeach on Apr 16, 2010 2:15 PM MST up reply actions
go here to see where the refs were and proof that three of them were looking directly at the play. also proof of the blatant unnecessary (and against the rules) stoppage of play.
http://www.kuklaskorner.com/index.php/a2y/comments/sabres_fansi_understand_you_i_always_have/P50/
by PaulinMiamiBeach on Apr 16, 2010 11:43 AM MST up reply actions
wait a minute
I’ll go get the cheese
Anyone who attempts to generate random numbers by deterministic means is, of course, living in a state of sin.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Apr 16, 2010 11:45 AM MST up reply actions
didn't realize I could directly post the image
by PaulinMiamiBeach on Apr 16, 2010 11:46 AM MST up reply actions
I'd send this in to Art Bell!
this is better than the Area 51 photos he shows on his web site
Anyone who attempts to generate random numbers by deterministic means is, of course, living in a state of sin.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Apr 16, 2010 11:47 AM MST up reply actions
and btw...
Filpulla did NOT lift Fiddler’s stick.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Nuh16HLN4U
watch the slow-mo replay starting at :24. Filpulla simply put a light check on Fiddler. Fiddler brought the stick up himself.
by PaulinMiamiBeach on Apr 16, 2010 11:49 AM MST up reply actions
kep re-living the past
you’ll miss the next game
Anyone who attempts to generate random numbers by deterministic means is, of course, living in a state of sin.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Apr 16, 2010 11:52 AM MST up reply actions
How is it re-living the past?
It’s two days ago, and was a serious fail by the refs. Lol.
It’s not like we’re Sabres fans. (Brett Hull, because the Coyotes were still young then.)
yeah and re-hashing it gonna solve what?
better things to do than play the coulda, woulda, shoulda game.
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by unnamedDBacksfan on Apr 16, 2010 6:43 PM MST up reply actions
Wow.
Maybe someday this can be your Kerry Frazer moment.
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by Travis Hair on Apr 16, 2010 11:53 AM MST up reply actions
*Fraser
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by Travis Hair on Apr 16, 2010 11:54 AM MST up reply actions
Nah...
Not a big enough game for that kind of pandemonium, unlike the too many men that was ignored.
That was slightly more important and more ridiculous.
Which one? I saw Detroit do that at least twice.
Lots of missed calls, a few cheap calls both ways. It happens.
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by Travis Hair on Apr 16, 2010 11:56 AM MST up reply actions
Um, I think he’s referring to the Penguins having 6 men on the ice, in the offensive zone involved in the play, for 20 seconds or more in the Stanley Cup Finals last year. then the sixth skater realized what was happening, and skated past the linesman on his way to the bench. the linesman watched it the whole time and play continued.
by PaulinMiamiBeach on Apr 16, 2010 11:58 AM MST up reply actions
Oh right. That one was horrible.
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by Travis Hair on Apr 16, 2010 11:59 AM MST up reply actions
especially because the Pens tied the game within 2 minutes of the incident
What, me still bitter? pshaw!
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see, the fallacy with this pic is...
…of course they’re looking right in that direction after Lidstrom gets hit. Where were they looking WHEN he got hit. Should have still been in that general direction, as that’s where the puck was, but this pic doesn’t prove anything to me. And I’m on your side.
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they were looking at the play then too. why? that’s where the puck was. watch the video and see for yourself.
by PaulinMiamiBeach on Apr 16, 2010 1:38 PM MST up reply actions
I know that you are from Hockeytown and thus know all, but 2 of those officials are linesmen who are not authorized to call the penalty…
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by Jordan Ellel on Apr 16, 2010 1:13 PM MST up reply actions
has that changed since 1993?
I just went on Youtube and watched a clip of Fraser screwing over the Leafs in the WCF, and Bob Cole made a point about how the linesmen were allowed to call high sticking, and now I’m wondering about that….
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Linesman are allowed to call major penalties or four-minute high sticking penalties. They may not call 2-minute high-sticking penalties.
Also, they don’t stop the play, the penalty would be called at the next stoppage.
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Also, the major penalties they are alloewd to call are penalties that our automatic majors, not things like interference or boarding (they would be able to call things like spearing and slew-footing)
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that was my understanding of it
The comment in the Leafs clip had me confused. Appreciate the clarification.
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they are actually allowed to call 4-minute high-sticks, but they normally don’t because they are looking down at the puck rather than straight ahead.
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But they wouldn’t actually be able to call it because they wouldn’t know at first if it was a 2 or 4 minute variety, right? That’s why they’d only be able to call it at the next whistle?
Also, (slightly off topic), I think why the refs stopped the play despite the Red Wings rush is that they thought Lidstrom was hurt from how he was skating…so, they missed the high stick, but also saw a possibly injured player and stopped play. They shouldn’t do it there because Detroit has the puck and Lidstrom was able to move to the bench, but I’ve seen them do that a lot in the past…
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by Jordan Ellel on Apr 16, 2010 1:34 PM MST up reply actions
Lidstrom was at the bench by the time they blew the whistle. there was NO reason to whistle the play.
by PaulinMiamiBeach on Apr 16, 2010 1:41 PM MST up reply actions
As a ref, I won’t blow a play dead if a player is up and skating. If he’s skating towards his bench, then he’s not hurt enough to stop play.
On top of that, the rush should have been allowed to finish and then blown dead.
You are correct about Linesmen calling high-sticking, and that it is something they would advise the referee of at the next stoppage. See section 33.4 of the NHL Rulebook.
Look, to everyone that’s going on and on about this. I’m really not trying to say that the referees didn’t screw up the play, possibly in more ways than one…but this is one call in one game…and as with every game in the NHL this season, things get missed. Is this more egregious than some of them, sure…is it the most egregious non-call ever in the history of hockey, surely not.
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by Jordan Ellel on Apr 16, 2010 1:48 PM MST up reply actions
sorry but you’re wrong, Moridin. the linesmen CAN make that call on a penalty like that (a double minor) if the refs missed it. read the rulebook before you post.
by PaulinMiamiBeach on Apr 16, 2010 1:38 PM MST up reply actions
Wow.
Thanks for repeating what others said and being pretentious about it.
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by Jordan Ellel on Apr 16, 2010 1:44 PM MST up reply actions
The trailing linesman would have been the only one that could have made that call. He was distracted skating up the ice. The referee would not have been able to distinguish which player’s stick it was, and the other linesman would have been watching for an offsides and therefore not be looking at lidstroms face.
I don’t normally blame linesmen for not calling highsticks (even though they can) because they aren’t watching for them, they’re focused on the puck, and would only see high-sticks in their peripheral vision. It took me three looks at full speed to track the two sticks (from a better angle than the pictured referee, and slo-mo is cheating), so i can’t expect them to make a game changing call based on one look.
But lord, that is definatly high sticking…
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In conclusion, only one of the pictured officials had a good angle at full-speed, and he failed.
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Um, no. All of them were looking at the play. the linesmen don’t stare down at the puck like Ubiquitous said. they watch the play just like a referee. otherwise they’d never be able to make an off/on-side call because they wouldn’t be able to see where other players are in relation to the puck.
by PaulinMiamiBeach on Apr 16, 2010 1:43 PM MST up reply actions
As i somehow didn’t see that even though i watched most of the game, follow throughs are not penalized… if it was one.
60.1 High-sticking – A "high stick" is one which is carried above the height of the opponent’s shoulders. Players and goalkeepers must be in control and responsible for their stick. However, a player or goalkeeper is permitted accidental contact on an opponent if the act is committed as a normal windup or follow through of a shooting motion. A wild swing at a bouncing puck would not be considered a normal windup or follow through and any contact to an opponent above the height of the shoulders shall be penalized accordingly.
Also, drawing blood is the deciding criteria for “causing an injury.” The reason it doesn’t say that is:
1. Already existing cuts don’t count if they reopen.
2. Nosebleeds don’t count unless the nose is broken. (rare)
3. If somehow an injury is caused without blood, it could still be 4 minutes.
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This was neither windup nor follow through. Filpula had lifted his stick and got him a little off-balance and the stick came up.
Like I said, there’s a give and take to the game, and both sides will think things are missed, but high-sticking is one of the few black and white calls in the game. Hate to see it missed that blatantly. We’re not talking about away from the puck, it was only about 4 feet behind Lidstrom when he got clipped.
Sure, but even those get missed with a frequency. If the guy doesn’t go down on the ice. I lost count of the times one of our guys got hit during the regular season but kept playing so there wasn’t a call.
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by Travis Hair on Apr 16, 2010 11:28 AM MST up reply actions
I hadn't actually seen a replay until just now
Took a peek at the youtube video Paul linked above…and it’s a much more egregious missed call than I thought it was.
I was influenced by someone on the gamethread here Wednesday who kept insisting it was a follow through. Silly me, a Wings fan among a nest of Wings haters, actually believing what they were saying…
Oh well, it’s dead and gone as an issue that anything can be done about. On to game 2.
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I suspect the Coyotes are going to get the shaft tonight, to make up for the Wings getting the shaft on Wednesday. that’s how the league works. they seem to think evening up bad calls makes it all OK. and they’re wrong. I’ll be just as disgusted tonight if the Coyotes are on the losing end of a horrible call like this.
by PaulinMiamiBeach on Apr 16, 2010 1:47 PM MST up reply actions
While there are a couple of guys who seem to like to even things up like Fraser, most of the time its just guys missing calls. The conspiracy stuff just makes me laugh.
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I don’t believe in a conspiracy so much as I believe the officiating is just atrocious. they don’t have it in for any one team, they just do a horrible job…and every team gets screwed at one point or another. they pay lip service to improving, and pat themselves on the back for a job well done while everyone outside of their little circle just rolls their eyes.
by PaulinMiamiBeach on Apr 16, 2010 2:25 PM MST up reply actions
Call Challenges
Does anyone know if there has ever been talk of giving each team a chance to challenge a call like they can in the NFL? I think this would greatly cut down on the dives (which I can’t recall the last time one was even called). I’m not sure how this would work with non-calls.
I think there was some talk at the GM meetings
But it didn’t really go anywhere.
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by Travis Hair on Apr 16, 2010 11:19 AM MST up reply actions
Thanks Travis,
I guess there’s a real risk to disrupting the flow of the game, but I think it would also add some accountability for the diving/embellishing players as well as the refs.
That already exists though in that there is a diving penalty. Is the ref going to call a dive because he’s looked at a replay?
I would rather see them change the way diving is called. If player A “hooks” player B, and B goes into full on soccer flopper mode, don’t call A for the hook. Just B for the dive. Rather than wiping out a penalty that in all reality wasn’t there in the first place, penalize the team for their player being an embellishing a-hole.
Sure,
But then you’re having coaches be the referees of the game. I don’t like that at all. It’s one thing in football where it’s a positional game, but in hockey it’s the difference between a power play and not. It’d be like giving baseball coaches a challenge on balls and strikes I just don’t think it works.
There’s just going to be a human element to the officiating that fans are going to have to live with. It’s what gives us stuff to talk about anyways.
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by Travis Hair on Apr 16, 2010 11:32 AM MST up reply actions
I think I would just like the refs to have some instant accountability. I know their calls get reviewed and scrutinized after the fact… maybe I’m just expecting too much. I just wish bad calls weren’t just accepted as part of the game.
Fair enough.
I mean I think they do the best they can. They constantly try to improve, but there’s always calls to be mad about. They try and strike a balance.
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by Travis Hair on Apr 16, 2010 11:53 AM MST up reply actions
Hey, in the bruins game, they let Chara out of the penalty box instead of Shawn Thornton and he played a whole 90-second shift before they noticed.
This was balanced by the fact of had they scored, the goal would have been called back even though it was the penalty box official that messed up. That would have been funny.
Imagine the tinfoil hats if that happened to the red wings.
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another prime example of a simple fact. officiating in the NHL is atrocious. I personally don’t think there’s any real bias against any one team, but I do think there are situational biases such as “home team down by a goal late in the third period” might result in them getting away with more or the other team getting a weak call, etc.
it’s really sad, and frustrating, that the NHL officiating is as bad as it is – especially in the playoffs.
by PaulinMiamiBeach on Apr 16, 2010 12:16 PM MST up reply actions
The NHL officials have lost 4 top referees to either retirement or career-ending injury. I’m personally amazed they managed to find enough referees during the regular season, and theres so many 1st playoff referees and linesmen this year its amazing.
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also, in all fairness to the officials there, eight players were in the penalty boxes and who was serving which penalties would have been pretty confusing. Chara did get the extra minor (and therefore his number was on the penalty clock), but he wasn’t serving it because he had gotten another roughing penalty.
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I couldn’t believe that. that was crazy.
I have watched sports so long, I have come to believe that all the officiating balances out in the end. Every bad call will be made up for with a lucky break. Like, Doan shouldn’t have been penalized for charging, but, the high stick from Fiddler should have been called. I can’t get upset about officiating any more. It just drives you crazy. And nothing ever changes. The outcome won’t be different if you complain loudly. It feels a waste of energy.
I think it does make a difference. I’m guessing Ken Holland gave one of the officials an earful that night or yesterday. at a league level. I don’t think the players, coaches, and executives would bother if they didn’t believe it makes a difference at some point in the future.
by PaulinMiamiBeach on Apr 16, 2010 1:53 PM MST up reply actions
Well, I meant that as a fan, I think it wastes energy complaining about officiating. As a fan, it will do no good if I complain about the officiating. That is really something that is handled internally within the NHL. (Or whatever sport.) I just can’t let myself get too upset about officiating. It won’t change the outcome of the game. Also, especially i the playoffs, I just expect the play to be more physical. I expect the officials to let a few more things slide. And I expect the teams to play as though they all know the same.
You will rarely hear me complain about officiating.
Have a look at the cleaning crew double-taking the rubber snake I tossed.
He waited for backup before scopping up a toy snake…with a shovel. Keep an eye on the stanley cup playoff logos, just inside the Detroit zone.
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Even the guy’s friend in the stands obviously was going to say something about the snake, but he just kinda went ‘ah, fuggit’.
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by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Apr 16, 2010 9:05 AM MST reply actions
I will be dropping in tonight
since my Flames are long gone and it is nice to watch Lombardi thriving (I miss that guy… a lot).
He is one of the big pieces that the new ownership group and GMDM need to lock down ASAP. This team cannot afford to lose him or Z next year.
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by Jordan Ellel on Apr 16, 2010 10:26 AM MST up reply actions
Howdy all. I wandered over from the DBacks Snakepit. I have been a hockey lover most of my life. Very excited to see the Coyotes have such a great season. Desperately hoping for them to take down the Red Wings in this series.
Just wanted to say that I am a little nervous for this game. Nervous, but excited. This seems like it will be the toughest game the Yotes have had in a while. I hope to see another Coyotes win. Really impressed by the 3rd period play on Wednesday. Hope to see more of that.
Welcome!
Thanks for joining!
It’s going to be a good one. If you can get tickets for game 5 (If necessary haha) I highly recommend being at the whiteout.
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by Travis Hair on Apr 16, 2010 11:33 AM MST up reply actions
Oh, I would love to go to a game. I went to a few during the regular season. I am in grad school and am on a pretty tight budget. Should have foregone a regular season game and saved up for the playoffs. Alas, hindsight is 20/20.
Bummer. If I know of anyone trying to unload a ticket (Many STHs will sell at face to a good fan) I’ll drop you a line. Is the email you signed up with okay if I find out about one?
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by Travis Hair on Apr 16, 2010 12:36 PM MST up reply actions
If you're from the snake pit, then come the hell on!
We’re under fire here! We need locals who know what’s up! ahhahahaha
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by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Apr 16, 2010 3:28 PM MST up reply actions
Pens fan dropping in
Great to see the Coyotes give it to the Wings. Seriously guys, kill them.
The Wings will definitely be ready for tonight — they’re a great team for re-focusing their play and getting back to what they need to accomplish. But that win gives your guys so much confidence. Good luck!
On a side note, how awesome are this year’s playoffs? It’s only 2 days in, and I think they’re already better than last year. Maybe it’s because everyone had similar opinions about all the young/new teams (LA, Yotes, Preds to an extent) that nobody was expecting the outcomes of the past two nights. It’s great to see some of these players finally make it the big show.
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I guess maybe I should go to the Ottawa blogs… oh… :-/
by BillPardy on Apr 16, 2010 11:52 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
hi
is it worthwhile to point out that the article you have up about the Sedin twins is a week old?
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by Travis Hair on Apr 16, 2010 12:59 PM MST up reply actions
Which one? I saw the one on Jewels for the Crown yesterday and that had the link to the other one which I think was older. I just post what I can find…I’ve posted things that are probably months old in the past…
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by Jordan Ellel on Apr 16, 2010 1:19 PM MST up reply actions
yeah, Jewels from the Crown was yesterday, but that was the one where there were 3 brothers.
the other one from Intent To Blow with just the 1 brother was from last week.
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Yeah, I don’t know how the Jewels from the Crown article got on my radar (I’m guessing it was either Puck Daddy or my daily Coyotes Google Alert email), so I read that…laughed, and then saw the comment link and followed that. I wish I had time to just scour the internet all day looking for this stuff, but I think my boss would fire me…
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by Jordan Ellel on Apr 16, 2010 1:36 PM MST up reply actions
Nice chatting the afternoon
But I’m off for the weekend. Good luck to your ‘Yotes this weekend. Hopefully my Road Runner doesn’t beat them up too bad. ;-)
Thanks for coming by and chatting. I’ve enjoyed it and I really need to be getting back to work myself…
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