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More On the Prucha Hit: The Glass Wasn't the Issue

I'll admit it. I'm biased. I was at the hockey game last night watching as Petr Prucha was laying on the ice for 7 minutes. I honestly didn't care what anyone else had to say about the validity of the hit. I still don't really. Was it a dirty dirty play? No. And I said as much last night. Was it clean? I still don't think it was 100%. That being said though, I'm past blaming Neal for what happened. It was a hockey play and it was an unfortunate injury. Some Dallas fans said as much, while others took it as far as blaming Prucha himself.

This morning though the argument has evolved into blaming not the players, but the glass itself. Many fans thought, and still do, that the seamless glass was the culprit in this unfortunate incident. That however is just another way to try and blame something, anything, rather than just dumb chance. That however seems to be what it's come down to. If you look at the replay of the hit from last night and fast forward to about 50 seconds in you'll see the real issue.


It wasn't the glass itself, but rather the metal stanchion where the penalty box glass is seamed together. (h/t to @patty_in_dallas on twitter) Rather than being a forgiving glass surface with shock absorbers and some give, he hit a rigid metal bar that no matter how you cut it was the one responsible for Prucha's injury. That same injury could have happened at any arena, with any glass. They all have metal bits around the penalty box doors and that's always a dangerous spot.

Did it look anywhere near that to anyone last night? Nope. Would it have helped any? No. I was ready to leave the game after the injury because I stopped caring about what else happened. I felt, as a grown man, sick to my stomach watching a player on the ice like that. It makes you angry. It should. I wrote about that, because that's what being a blogger here is about. Not being objective, but conveying your (my) feelings as a fan

Do I still hate James Neal? Yes. Because that's what fans do. They hate the guy that hurt their guy. It doesn't matter how it happened. Do I still say that Marty Turco is a punk? Yep, but I've always disliked him for some reason, so that's nothing new. Basically it goesback to the way it was except James Neal can look forward to being booed when he comes to Jobing.com Arena, and probably getting an extra hit here and there anyways, and Marty can deal with still being called Turdco. I'm alright with that.

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That’s a 200% clean hit for reference.

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by Chemmy on Feb 14, 2010 11:48 AM MST reply actions  

THat's fine.

Again. Not saying that Neal is to blame. Just that I still hate him.

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by Travis Hair on Feb 14, 2010 11:49 AM MST up reply actions  

It wasn’t the glass, but it also wasn’t James Neal’s elbow. :)

by Patty (in Dallas) on Feb 14, 2010 11:48 AM MST reply actions  

Exactly.

I’m fine with that. I hate that stupid stanchion though. Should be suspended for a couple games at least.

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by Travis Hair on Feb 14, 2010 11:50 AM MST up reply actions  

The Hit

Looking at the replay, it does look like that Prucha’s head was slightly down (maybe admiring dump in for a split second), and Neal came in with a solid check. It does look like elbow didn’t come up and caught him side ways into the board.

I was at the game last night too, and in the heat of the moment, I was pretty angry (like everyone in attendance).

by pbcoyotes on Feb 14, 2010 11:51 AM MST reply actions  

Hope you guys can read my reply with words missing...

Geez…I should proofread my stuff – I know it might not matter, but just sayin’… :-/

by pbcoyotes on Feb 14, 2010 11:52 AM MST up reply actions  

I think I got most of that. :P

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by Travis Hair on Feb 14, 2010 11:54 AM MST up reply actions  

Still pissed, don't care - irrational? so what I'm a Yote fan...already insane

“A boarding penalty shall be imposed on any player or goalkeeper who checks an opponent in such a manner that causes the opponent to be thrown violently in the boards. The severity of the penalty, based upon the degree of violence of the impact with the boards, shall be at the discretion of the Referee.”

No call and then the ref appears to screw with the bench when they point at the replay. As if those dicks have never called a penalty waaay later after it happened. Yeah I know the replay isn’t allowed to be a factor but during the 7 minutes that boy lay on the ice, those asshats shoulda reconsidered.

Don’t much care if the stanchion was at fault, if I can figure out which of my gazillion fantasy teams Neal is on, he’s gone, will boo every time I see him touch a puck in my arena. Much like Wizzer, still pissed about the Doan hit too. My team, my boys, I reserve the right to hate on anyone who effs with them, intentional or not… yeah thats what big old homers like me do. Don’t like it? I really don’t give 2 shits.

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by Z4dfense on Feb 14, 2010 12:16 PM MST reply actions  

Amen.

Hating the opposing team is what sports are all about right? :P hehe.

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by Travis Hair on Feb 14, 2010 12:19 PM MST up reply actions  

rivalries are made

from less than this.

Scariest thing I have ever seen live and in person in almost 20 years of bein a fan of this game. Reading and hearing people make light of it seriously pisses me off. A simple, ‘man that sucked and I hope your dude is okay’ woulda went a long way towards keeping the peace… ‘Maaan your dude was so at fault for not seein that guy coming and getting out of the way’… just adds fuel to the fire for me.

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by Z4dfense on Feb 14, 2010 12:24 PM MST up reply actions  

Yep.

I agree that the way to go about it when someone on the other team is hurt is to simply do what you said. And that there will always be those bad apples that have to go and be dicks about stuff like this. I don’t understand at all.

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by Travis Hair on Feb 14, 2010 12:31 PM MST up reply actions  

simply because its

not THEIR guy…

sux but there it is… they have no skin in the game so they pass gas through their pieholes, never thinking about how THEY would feel if it was their guy,

laying on the ice
barely moving…
for 7 full minutes before being wheeled out on a stretcher
full neck brace
back board
head cradle

a little empathy is a wonderful thing more hockey fans should try it

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by Z4dfense on Feb 14, 2010 12:43 PM MST up reply actions  

The right thing to do...

I agree with Z4dfense, just because it is not there guy they say he deserves it or it’s his fault. It doesn’t matter the fact is a player got hurt, and in the greatest game in the world we all need to show a little compassion at such an emotional time as in those 7min. Like Five for Howling wrote, shit happens. The game was built on being the toughest, most physical game there is. Aciddents happen. No need to always blame someone, just accidents happen, it’s unfortunate but true. So for all those people who are trying to point fingers quit it. Cuz in the end it gets us no where, and kinda takes away from the greatest sport in the world.

by MPallen23 on Feb 14, 2010 12:55 PM MST reply actions  

Exactly.

Also, welcome and thanks for joining!

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by Travis Hair on Feb 14, 2010 12:59 PM MST up reply actions  

I am nearly done

venting my displeasure..

Thanks for the space Odie…

knowing Pru retains all his mental faculties and the use of all his limbs is mellowing me out somewhat.

It pains me to put Jimmy Neal on my shit list but a girl’s gotta do what a girl’s gotta do for her self respect as a Yotes fan

P.S. You already know my dog is a big ol wuss, he wouldn’t know what to do if he actually caught one of the kitties he creates mini shitstorms over. Too many letters for a tweet LOL

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by Z4dfense on Feb 14, 2010 1:06 PM MST reply actions  

No problem.

That’s what this place is for. Discussion. More or less. Gotta start poachin peeps from elsewhere :D

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by Travis Hair on Feb 14, 2010 1:08 PM MST up reply actions  

The fact of the matter remains.

Prucha was bent over after dumping the puck in. Neal had every right to try and hit him, and he did. And honestly, he did seem to lead with his shoulder. But since Prucha was bent over, Neal’s shoulder didn’t hit Prucha, as much as he hit his head. Prucha had on a visor, and you can plainly see where it got broken during the hit when they carted him off. So, if you factor in Prucha being in a somewhat prone position, and Neal being a horrible checker, it was an accidentally dirty hit.

This ‘seamless glass’ argument is bullshiz.

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by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Feb 14, 2010 1:56 PM MST reply actions  

And after reading the Dallas blog, it seems they have no sense in logic.

I’ve played hockey all my life, and no matter how you spell it, ( I hope you’re reading this, Defending Big D), no matter how hard you get hit on a shoulder-to-shoulder, your helmeted head bouncing off the glass won’t knock you unconscious.

Hell, I’ll let you come down here and check me ‘til the cows come home. I guarantee if you hit me shoulder-to-shoulder, I’ll be awake for all of them. The only way I’d go nighty-night is if somehow I took a direct blow to the head. It’s logic. I’m sure you have some of that.

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by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Feb 14, 2010 2:10 PM MST reply actions  

Dallas wishes Prucha nothing but a speedy recovery

I can assure you that everyone at DBD wishes Prucha the very best. Many of us have expressed our sympathies and I agree that we would just as upset if one of our guys were taken out. So I don’t blame you for being upset.

That said, would just like to add my 2 cents since this is a discussion.

In regards to the quoted definition of boarding, the hit still doesn’t fall into it. The hit itself was not violent in any way whatsoever. The only aspect that can be considered “violent” is that Prucha was injured on the play. As was stated in the article, Prucha’s head hit the metal stanchion at the penalty box which resulted in the injury. If this happens anywhere along the boards where those stanchion’s aren’t placed, we’re not even having this discussion. For that reason, no part of Neal’s action itself was violent and thus, he didn’t deserve a penalty.

In regards to the previous post, I have also played competitive hockey my entire life (save for the first 2 years of it) and beg to differ. I have seen many players injured from their head hitting the glass on perfectly clean hits. Either way, the “direct blow to the head” you refer to that is necessary to cause injury wasn’t from Neal’s shoulder hitting Prucha’s shoulder but rather from Prucha’s head hitting the stanchion as stated in the article. So I don’t see how DBD has no sense or logic when the above article blames the stanchion for the injury as well.

I want to urge I’m not trying to cause a feud or expect any of you to fall in love with James. I do wish Prucha nothing but the best and sincerely hope he isn’t sidelined for any extended period of time. I love the rivalry we’ve established with you guys and look forward to the next game. But I also think we can have a rivalry and actually debate hockey without claiming the other side has no sense or logic. That’s falling into Senator fan territory and no one wants to be there.

by LilEagle on Feb 14, 2010 2:59 PM MST reply actions  

Are you trying to tell me

That if I wear my helmet, and headbutt the boards, I’m going to be KO’d? Seriously?

Prucha was bent over. Neal went in with the shoulder, and missed. Hit nailed Prucha in the head. And while it wasn’t intentional, I’ve watched three different youtube videos, and it sure as Hell looks like Prucha’s head got the brunt of Neal’s shoulder.

So banging your helmeted head into the glass/ metal pillar/whatever probably won’t knock you unconscious. Maybe , just maaaayyybeee. Having it driven in by a shoulder on someone is the equivalent of Todd Bertruzzi on Steve Moore, only vertical.

And no, I don’t think it was intentional, and very coincidental. But it was, without any doubt in my mind, a shoulder blasting through Prucha’s head.

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by GhostOfLinkGaetz on Feb 14, 2010 3:06 PM MST reply actions  

That's not what I said at all

I was replying to your claim that “no matter how hard you get hit on a shoulder-to-shoulder, your helmeted head bouncing off the glass won’t knock you unconscious” which is contrary to what I’ve seen in my 20 years of competitive hockey. I’ve seen many shoulder-on-shoulder hits that resulted in injuries. That’s all I was saying.

As for the shoulder-on-[insert your interpretation], it’s exactly that. All the replays that are available are either terrible quality or at the wrong angle. From what I can tell, Neal’s shoulder didn’t make contact with Prucha’s head directly. I’ve polled other teams’ fans asking them “what part of Prucha’s body did Neal’s shoulder make contact with?”. Their responses ranged from Prucha’s elbow to his shoulder. Not one said his head. My (biased) interpretation and those (unbiased) answers are the basis of my claim. If you see it differently then that’s your view. Again, I’m just adding to the conversation here.

by LilEagle on Feb 14, 2010 4:50 PM MST up reply actions  

Stars fan here

My opinion on the hit is irrelevant – but the one thing I really dig is the undying devotion – and civility – of the typical hockey fan. I’m re-watching this game and the fan’s reactions to Hanzal taking on Neal and the Barch-Bissonnette tills are what I love about hockey.

I also dig the civility. I’ve been to games at New Jersey and Anaheim and Phoenix with my Stars jersey and the ribbing I get is all good-natured. Try that at an NFL game.

by bones_boy on Feb 16, 2010 5:24 PM MST reply actions  

For the most part I agree.

You get a chunk of bad apples that give hockey fans a bad name, but on the whole hockey fans love their players and like teammates sticking up for them since they can’t do it themselves.

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