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The "Not Going to Surprise Anyone" Fallacy

If you, like me, have been watching any of the NHL preview shows on NHL Network, TSN, Espn (Do they even show hockey?) and reading season previews from any hockey sites around the interwebs then you know one very important thing about the Coyotes. Is it that they have an outstanding goaltender in Ilya Bryzgalov? Some people note that. Is it that they brought in some better offensive players or that they have some talented young guys that are ready to play? Nope. One thing almost every analysis of this team has to say is: "The Coyotes won't sneak up on anyone this year."

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What kind of crap is that? The Coyotes are a freakin professional hockey team! Two points count for and against them just like anyone else. Are two points that say San Jose gets against the team any more or less valuable than two points they get from anyone else? No. No they aren't. After the first say, two weeks of last season when they were winning games, shutout the Penguins, and generally seemed to not be feeling any effects from the off ice issues, do you think anyone was really taking us lightly? If they were guess what? They were morons. 

In TSN and CBC intermission shows and the like they were waiting for them to fall apart all the way into the last 3rd of the season, expecting some sort of let down. It didn't happen. Were players in opposing locker rooms expecting it late in the season? I doubt it. Again if they were they were morons. Not only that but they cost their team valuable points. Did players try any less to score goals? Really? Sidney Crosby took a breather because it's the Coyotes? Patrick Marleau just didn't want to try more than say 75% because we weren't supposed to be good? Did Alain Vigneault just not make a game plan because it was "just the Coyotes?" I doubt it very much. 

In general I don't get the feeling that the players or coaching staffs of any NHL team takes games that matter lightly at all. In fact I know that any head coach that thought his team was going easy on another team or not putting in all their effort would be livid. Sure, teams take a night off now and then late in the season against a 14 or 15th place team in the conference. You might put in the backup goalie. The Coyotes have seen that plenty over the past seasons. But last year? It didn't happen much. Teams were gunning for the Coyotes. If you want to say that some teams took them lightly really early in the season, fine. But how many points does that translate into? Not many. 

Basically what I'm saying is this .If you're an NHL player or team, and If, you took the Coyotes or any team lightly and didn't do you best to win? Go sell life insurance or something because it seems you don't want to compete. 

And commentators, you keep using this cliche because it's easy. It's easier than saying "The Coyotes really showed up a lot of good teams last year." Why? Because 98% of you said the Coyotes would suck. Stop using it as a cop out that "Wow, that was surprising, who could have called that halfway through the season?" The fact of the matter is this. The Coyotes no longer suck. No matter how convenient that would be for people that aren't fans of the team or market. They have good goaltending, developed talent, great on ice leadership and now a coaching staff that knows what the hell they're doing. The Coyotes aren't and weren't a surprise, they're just plain good.

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Travis you’ve got soem fire in your belly again!

I like it.

Real hockey time….lets GO COYOTES!!!!

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by TimmyHate on Oct 7, 2010 11:44 AM MST reply actions  

Well done Travis

This article just made me want it to be Saturday even more. I agree with everything you said here, its nuts that a lot of the “experts” aren’t including the Yotes in their discussions of teams to watch out for this season like a full year under Tips, new offensive weapons in Whitney and Belanger, and the best goalie not named Miller arent going to lead an even better season than last year. We’ll all just have to keep supporting this team and disregard the vast majority of media outlets that still dont get it. Heres to another great season, Go Yotes!

by jwimh3 on Oct 7, 2010 11:47 AM MST reply actions  

the best goalie not named Miller

Not that I don’t think Bryz is an elite goalie, but I’d argue the best goalie not named Miller is Tomas Voukon.

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by Carl Putnam on Oct 7, 2010 11:53 AM MST up reply actions  

It’s easy to say it’s Bryz though simply because he was second in Vezina voting. I’d say he’s certainly in a group of the top 5 though.

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by Travis Hair on Oct 7, 2010 12:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Top 5 at least

I dont completely disagree with that, Voukon is nasty, my inner fanboy is a bit too biased towards Bryz I guess haha

by jwimh3 on Oct 7, 2010 12:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Understood. I think Vokoun gets forgotten because he plays on bad teams. As for Bryz being Top 5 I agree. I’d probably rank him fourth behind MIller, Vokoun, and Lundquist.

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by Carl Putnam on Oct 7, 2010 12:18 PM MST up reply actions  

Also: Radim Vrbata Disagrees

(Click on the video icon next to his name on the goal sheet)

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by Travis Hair on Oct 7, 2010 12:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Nice.

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by Carl Putnam on Oct 7, 2010 12:19 PM MST up reply actions  

You cant put that on Tomas, the sun clearly got in his eyes.

by jwimh3 on Oct 7, 2010 12:19 PM MST up reply actions  

Totally forgot that that goal was in the Spring Classic outdoor game ;-)

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by Travis Hair on Oct 7, 2010 12:22 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

To be fair, I think Tomas was still feeling the after effects of this.

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by Carl Putnam on Oct 7, 2010 12:23 PM MST up reply actions  

Keith was helping out his old team… Look out Luongo!

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by Travis Hair on Oct 7, 2010 12:25 PM MST up reply actions  

Still one of the dumbest thing to happen on ice not produced by Disney. I still would kill to hear what, if anything, was said in the locker room after that display of brilliance by Keith.

by jwimh3 on Oct 7, 2010 12:36 PM MST up reply actions  

fallacy yes, but it does happen...

Teams will almost every year lay a “stinker” out in a game where they are heavily favored. The crux of the issue at hand is that these commentators and sports writers are claiming that this is the reason the Coyotes did well last year, but they don’t explain how this happened over and over and over again. It is simply not possible that the Coyotes were on the right side of opponent “let downs” every other night. The fact of the matter is that they BEAT teams with skill and urgency. Every game felt like a big game, and one that “mattered”. I remember the Panthers game in which we were down 3 goals in the 3rd, got a lucky break with a fluke goal that got the game close and we ended up winning in a shootout if I remember correctly. Most teams would keel over and submit to defeat even though they were heavily favored and should’ve had no problem putting the opponent away, not this team. Like I said in an earlier post, if the Coyotes can limit the times their opponents score first, this team will be even more dangerous. They are excellent at holding leads, and I believe are more talented this year.

by Gildo on Oct 7, 2010 2:01 PM MST reply actions  

Sure, teams lay out a stinker, but It doesn’t happen 50 times like some commentators make it sound like ;-)

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by Travis Hair on Oct 7, 2010 2:09 PM MST up reply actions  

i wonder how many games teams going into a Coyotes matchup played their backup goalie?

I don’t recall it being often, unless it was the second night of a back to back for the opponent, which most likely would be the case regardless of whom they were playing. I’m hoping for a 2-0 start in Prague to shut everyone up and lay the doubt to rest.

by Gildo on Oct 8, 2010 11:25 AM MST up reply actions  

Greatest Yotes article EVER!

I completely agree. this is the greatest article ever written about the Yotes. No team, coach or anybody else just sits back and says " I do not need to get any goals" or " I’m tired, so i’ll just glide around the ice and wave to the fans tonight". Yes, you may use the back-up goalie and start and play your seconary lines more than your primaries, but every team shows up to play! Weither it is for a job, the coach, their own personal stats, whatever. The truth and reality has just been told. Anyone who took the Yotes for granted after the first few weeks, were pure idiots.

by wthunder1 on Oct 7, 2010 2:08 PM MST reply actions  

AMEN!!!

I can’t wait for Saturday! Is 9am too early to hit a bar to watch the game? Are any even open that early? :-p

by Troggie on Oct 7, 2010 4:02 PM MST reply actions  

There’s a viewing party with Brunch

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by Travis Hair on Oct 7, 2010 4:14 PM MST up reply actions  

I’m actually having a viewing party with brunch at our house…I’d invite y’all over, but there’s only so much french toast I can make in one day ;)

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by Jordan Ellel on Oct 7, 2010 4:33 PM MST up reply actions  

There is never enough french toast…

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by Travis Hair on Oct 7, 2010 4:36 PM MST up reply actions  

9am arizona time...

so 5am Sunday morning my time…

Its on Verses right? Should be able to find a feed for it then….

We can actually has hockey now!

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by TimmyHate on Oct 7, 2010 4:16 PM MST reply actions  

Yup.

Vs. on Saturday then NHLNet on Sunday.

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by Travis Hair on Oct 7, 2010 4:31 PM MST up reply actions  

It's stupid

If the Coyotes are a good team, they’ll win. It’s not because other teams were taking a mental day off cos they’re playing Phoenix. It’s one of those sports analyst cliches that drives me up the wall.

That was a rhetorical question. I don't really care what you say.

by soco on Oct 8, 2010 7:33 AM MST reply actions  

Well Said

I don’t think any team thinks any other team is going to be easy. That being said I do think teams play a little different when they know it is going to be a tough game. I don’t think we won any games buy teams taking it easy on us. I do think we did win some games early in the season because of Tippets new system. It was a Coyotes team that played different then we did the year before. The scouting they would have had on us would have been outdated and different then the way we played. Also we had a lot of new faces then the previous year (thanks Don). This would have been a issue for the for the coaches as they adjust to the way we played, causing them to react to us not play their game. Was it the X factor that lead to the winning season we had, I don’t think so. You can tell because we never had any blowout games. Teams never said “we were totally surprised and just weren’t ready for them”. We also were figuring out our system and building the chemistry needed to be a winning team. We had a good coach, good players, a good system and the desire to win, day in, day out.

I think the reason why analysts say we are not a surprise team anymore is so they can cover up their lack of knowledge on team. I never see any real in depth analysis on the team. Its all general and short or about the other team. Its like they are afraid to get invested in the team. Part of it is we have no superstars on the team they can latch on too. The whole move back to Winnipeg thing isn’t helping and neither is the ownership situation. And if you need proof just watch Michalek rise to stardom in Pittsburgh,

by GalenYote on Oct 8, 2010 11:02 AM MST reply actions  

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