NHL Suspends Shane Doan 3 Games for Hit on Dan Sexton
by Travis Hair on Oct 18, 2010 1:01 PM MST
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PrintOnce again proving that the NHL discipline system in a complete joke, Colin Campbell and whoever else is in charge have suspended Phoenix Coyotes captain Shane Doan for 3 games following this hit on the Anaheim Ducks Dan Sexton last night.
Others around the league and apparently in the league office are using this a a textbook case of a blindside hit. Was the hit itself that bad? No. Was it late? A bit. Did Sexton get hit in the face with his own stick on the hit that caused most of the damage? Yes. But Doan is responsible for the initial contact that caused it. I just don't understand how a hit that didn't get an in game call of any kind whatsoever gets a 3 game suspension. This is pure message sending from the league office on these types of hits. Good for them. Could I see a game suspension? sure, but 3 just seems out of line. Hope that everyone is healthy come Thursday because we're going to need them.
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I’m guessing there is going to be a call up or two before Thursday.
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3 games is a bit extreme, especially for a player without a dirty history. Who would have thought a sexual gesture and hit like this would get just about the same amount of suspension games
especially for a player without a dirty history
Campbell let him escape a suspension once before for not having a dirty history. At what point does he develop a dirty history? Or is it like Allstate Insurance, and punching a guy in the face after a game is over in direct violation of the NHL’s new no Instigator in the last few minutes of a game rule is expunged from your record after a couple years?
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Oct 18, 2010 5:01 PM MST up reply actions
Whats the message ?
Colin Campbell is a douchebag? Doan is not Crosby? Its ok not to control your own stick if you play the coyotes? No need to keep your head up son, just admire the pass to its conclusion?
Am i missing something here?
I don’t know. I really don’t know how to explain NHL suspensions for anyone.
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Nope. Just another day on North America’s favorite game show, The NHL Wheel of Justice.
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BS
No penalty on play…
Ducks didn’t retaliate…
Sexon didnt miss much of the game…
I don’t get it!
Example making at it’s ineffective finest.
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You forgot to use the word “Random” at the beginning of that sentence.
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My bad. This is really freakin annoying.
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Seriously suspensions couldn’t be more arbitrary if they really did use a wheel of justice.
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And this is why people get frustrated.
Just sent this in an e-mail to a friend in terms of NHL discipline and player safety. Until the NHL does the following its all smoke and mirrors combined with a big spinning wheel.
1. All legitimate hits from behind, hits to the head, players leaving their feet for hits, players going after guys after legal hits get suspensions.
2. Suspensions and fines for stick penalties (slashing).
3. Go public with a plan new helmet and face shield rules.
4. Get rid of seamless glass that has less give in it.
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I’m fine with a suspension even if those 3 things didn’t occur. However, I expect a suspension of equal length for similar incidents. Chances of that happening?
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At first I thought this was a result of what happened to Fowler.
I guess I missed this live, IDK the guys head was turned. While I don’t think this is a blind side hit, the NHL wants this to stop so anything close is being treated like a blind side hit. If Sexton was looking straight instead of at the bench this would of been fine.
In an Ideal world I would have all ten fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
I don't see why 3 games is that
egregious. It was more than a tad late. By my count fully 2 steamboats after the puck was released. He also targeted the head by lifting his shoulder up into the head region. Looks like a suspendable hit to me. 2-3 games probably about right maybe the 3rd game is a bit strong but I would rather be slightly strong with suspensions for late hits to the head region than too weak.
The fact there was no call on the play should have no impact on suspension decisions. The Refs in the NHL are terrible anyway most nights.
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by Section 312 on Oct 18, 2010 2:02 PM MST reply actions
I wouldn't
Necessarily consider the hit to have targeted the head. From the angle in the video it looks as if his shoulder was fairly stationary throughout the hit. He never lowered or lifted it which indicates that there probably wasn’t any vicious intent. Like it was mentioned earlier, Sexton’s stick did all the damage. More than anything, it simply looked like Doan was giving Sexton a hard nudge.
I agree with the no call judgment. Referees miss calls every five seconds (it’s been proved in statistics) and they don’t have the benefit of hindsight. Still, it doesn’t change the fact that the hit was never malicious and was simply an accident where Sexton’s stick went upwards into his noggin.
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by Marc Fournier on Oct 18, 2010 4:03 PM MST up reply actions
Look I hate to be a pain
and I have no problem with the Yotes. And Doan is cool in my books. Been great for Canada on several occasions. But he is skating beside that guy for two full strides looking at him after the puck is released and then decides to hit him and the hit is high. Shoulder to head is still a head shot in this day and age and I am OK with that as long as it protects the players. I
t might not be malicious but I think it is outside the rules of the game. If that hit happens just as the puck is released I have much less of a problem with it. It’s still a little high but nothing major. But the fact that he took those two strides, and was looking at the guy so he knew the puck was gone, puts that closer to malicious than not.
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by Section 312 on Oct 18, 2010 5:04 PM MST up reply actions
Watch the video again
And pay attention to Sexton’s stick. Doan leads with his left shoulder and makes contact with Sexton’s left shoulder. Sexton’s head doesn’t jerk back until his stick comes upward and strikes him in the head. From that angle in the video, it truly looks like Doan’s shoulder never made contact with Sexton’s head.
I know the hit was late, but that doesn’t change the fact that the hit was never really the issue. If Sexton had been aware of his surrounding (as in to his right) he would have known Doan was coming to nudge him and prepared himself. Unfortunately, he gawked at his pass and wasn’t controlling his stick.
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by Marc Fournier on Oct 18, 2010 10:07 PM MST up reply actions
If you pause at the 10 second mark
there is contact up high before the stick makes contact. It’s a high hit. And gawking at your pass is stupid and if you get blown up because of it it is your own fault. But that doesn’t make the hit any less late. And it was late.
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by Section 312 on Oct 18, 2010 11:21 PM MST up reply actions
I think several of us have been clear that our issue is not with the suspension itself.
There are a couple of refs that shouldn’t be calling NHL games, but besides that most of them do a good job, especially given the poor direction on rules they are given. League focuses on points of emphasis instead of being consistent across the board on rules. NFL is similar in this respect. Officials have a hard job as it is given the speed of play.
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I agree it is hard
and maybe it is the league’s fault more than the officials but the consistency of NHL officials is appalling. From period to period let alone game to game the rules are enforced differently.
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by Section 312 on Oct 18, 2010 4:59 PM MST up reply actions
I think there needs to be clarification on what a "Blindside’ is. Is it 180 degrees from the head or is it 180 from body, or is it narrower. Doan was clearly in front of Sexton well before the hit was made, although they were skating in the same direction. And Done did hit sexton in the chest not in the side or the head. His elbow stayed down and he never left his feet.
I wonder what would have happened if Doan had shouted Sexton’s name right before the hit, so he was aware of it coming, if the suspension would be the same. I do remember a hit that was attempted on Biznasty that was going to be a "blindside’ hit until he saw it at the last sec and flattened the guy. so a clarification on awareness and blindside does have to be clarified.
Also i think there needs to be a set time for suspensions. ie 1 game to start, add a game if an elbow was envolved, 1 if the head was involved 3 if a repeat offender etc.
was the hit late, yes.
was it a blind side, maybe.
was it worth 3 games, no.
"Cheap Shot" Confirmed by NHL Experts
Unbelievable disappointed at this post. I am not a Coyotes fan or a Ducks fan. Just a general deep loyal NHL fan. This was clearly a cheap shot that the refs missed. NHL corrected it with a suspension. Versus NHL Studio Experts Keith Jones and Brian Engbloom clearly agreed without a doubt that “it was a cheap shot that the new NHL rules clearly refer to for blind hits.” It does not matter if the player got hurt or not. I am surprised that the Coyotes lead blogger would be so biased and know little about the NHL rules and penalties.
Let's break this down
The hit was a late hit, so it should’ve been a penalty. Sexton had hits stick up and Doan hits his hand, causing the stick to smash against his head. What if Sexton had his stick down? Then there wouldn’t even be any contact to the head. You can’t say “what if the player got hurt” because what if you shoot the puck and your stick hits someone’s face? Are you going to be suspended for shooting the puck? All “acts” in hockey can cause serious injury (such as blocking a shot) depending on the luck of the draw, and I can confidently say Doan got unlucky that Sexton had his stuck up in the air when Doan hit him.
The only problem here is the late hit. Sexton’s positioning of the stick made all the difference, and it is not worth 3 games.
by KholdStare88 on Oct 18, 2010 6:12 PM MST up reply actions
actually, no...
if a player shoots the puck and his follow through high sticks someone, it’s not a penalty. i’ve been watching hockey for about 20 years and didn’t know that until last year when brad may got a mouth full of ty conklin’s goalie stick. conklin was clearing the puck when his stick got may and, even though may got bloodied up on the play, there was no penalty.
All "acts" in hockey can cause serious injury
but some plays are avoidable. like hits to the head.
it’s pretty clear that we won’t agree on whether or not doan actually made contact with sexton’s head, or if it was sexton’s own stick. unless a different angle becomes available, we’re just going to disagree.
by Twig in Houston on Oct 19, 2010 8:33 AM MST up reply actions
I’m surprised you’d come and troll around. State your opinion without being a jerk about it or go home.
I know the rule, I disagree that this was blind. Get over it. Or don’t.
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LOL
Versus NHL Studio Experts Keith Jones and Brian Engbloom clearly agreed
In an Ideal world I would have all ten fingers on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
I know right?
May as well say Eklund reported or Mike Milbury for that matter.
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So does that make Jovo captain the next three games? Does it even really matter?
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Tyson Nash disagrees with the suspension http://twitter.com/Nashty18 According to Walsh’s tweet, they will discuss this on Coyotes Live on Thursday (although they kind of have to)
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Too bad this is exactly what the NHL wants us to do
By arguing back and forth, we’re just advertising the issue. No, the NHL isn’t going to look at both sides and come to a compromise (such as reduce Doan’s suspension). They’re going to do nothing, which gives off the attitude of hearing both side and then taking the “tough stance” about it. We might think that the more controversy, the weaker the decision. But the NHL will twist that around saying “they will punish all rule breakers, minor or major.”
There’s no way for us to win here, but at least we’re not the only ones questioning this call.
Wyshynski in the article above made it very clear: Doan’s suspension is just a “message,” so the more controversy the better. It doesn’t really matter what Doan did, but the NHL wants us to know that they will be tough, even against star players.
I just don’t understand how a hit that didn’t get an in game call of any kind whatsoever gets a 3 game suspension.
This has been covered in spades, but the hit was behind the play and happened very fast. This is exactly why the league is supposed to be looking at these kinds of things. The Penguins’ Kris Letang got called for a blindside head shot in a game against the Islanders which replay showed was clearly shoulder-to-shoulder. Should he have been automatically suspended just because there was an in-game call, even though that call was wrong?
This is pure message sending from the league office on these types of hits. Good for them. Could I see a game suspension? sure, but 3 just seems out of line.
If It’s pure message sending, then what message are they sending by suspending James Wisniewski for 2 games and Shane Doan for half that time? They’re saying that it’s twice as bad to be rude as it is to be dirty. I’m not arguing the stick or the angle or whatever. We can disagree on that. My opinion is that Doan unnecessarily hit Sexton high and late from the blind side. I don’t see how a one game suspension properly sends the message that it’s time to end blind side head-hunting in professional hockey.
by J.J. from Kansas on Oct 19, 2010 6:19 AM MST reply actions
Good call from the league. It is about intent not just result.
Doan was pissed because he got the puck taken away. I hate cheap hits. Hit someone when they are looking and not an elbow to the head. Scott Stevens did it all the time. When someone wasn’t looking. Blind side hits are now illegal and especially to the head. I remember Bobby Baun and Larry Robinson and I can go on to more players that were very physical but were clean hitters and players watched out for because they were physical. You can be physical and clean. BrainlessGoon hockey causes injuries. This game is much too fast for cheap hits. Have some respect.
by Marvin R. Fried on Oct 19, 2010 8:07 AM MST reply actions
I agree that it is about intent and not just result, and I’m actually fine with this suspension so long as there is some consistency that this is the penalty for doing this type of thing (I’ll believe it when I see it).
However, comparing Shane Doan to Scott Stevens is laughable – Doan doesn’t play “BrainlessGoon hockey” as you say and this wasn’t an attempt to blow anyone up. This was a nudge from the side done at a fairly low speed – the slow motion replay makes it look much worse than it was. Late hit – absolutely; suspendable according to the new headshot rule – I suppose; but let’s not get carried away here.
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by Jordan Ellel on Oct 19, 2010 9:09 AM MST up reply actions
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