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Had the Coyotes still been playing in downtown Phoenix, would it have made a difference?

This might be an age-old debate. It might not. But with the future of the Phoenix Coyotes at stake, it has been a question that has been constantly weighing on my mind for a minimum of six years now.

Many Phoenix sports fans know the location of major league sports facilities across the region. Throw in the major college venues if you like, too. My question is... Had the Coyotes still been playing in downtown Phoenix, would it have made a difference? Would that have had an effect in possibly avoiding Chapter 11 bankruptcy?

I don't hear this discussed much if at all by the media and the fans these days. So I bring up some background to this.

I live in the New York City metropolitan area and some might wonder how I know about this stuff. It does help I have family connections to Phoenix and it is the out-of-town place I have been to the most in my life. Therefore, I began rooting for the Phoenix Suns and later of course the Phoenix Coyotes as out-of-town teams of mine.

Anyway, so before the Coyotes ever arrived in Arizona, US Airways Center (originally America West Arena) was built in downtown Phoenix to be the Suns' new home. It replaced the Arizona Veterans Memorial Coliseum (which still stands, by the way) in 1992. Here was the biggest mistake of all when the plans were drawn up. Hockey was never figured into the design plans. It was just built for the Suns as a basketball venue. Four years later, that's when the Winnipeg Jets were relocated to Phoenix and the only major league facility that could financially host them was US Airways Center.

But the problem was as many Coyotes fans know, about 2,000 to 3,000 obstructed seats in the upper levels of the north end of the arena. The highest level seating sections only could see the opposite end of the ice.

At the same time, another problem for the Coyotes was a reason for why they wanted to build their own home. They were a tenant for then-Suns owner Jerry Colangelo and didn't make money on the luxury suites and I believe the parking fees surrounding the arena. In other words, the Coyotes were treated like a second class citizen.

So the team looked for a new place in the Greater Phoenix Area to play. First it was the Los Arcos Mall site in Scottsdale, about 10 miles east of downtown Phoenix. Nearly all the major hurdles to get approval for the arena project where cleared, but in the end, Scottsdale residents did pass the final referendum to give it the green light. So then it turned to Glendale and the rest is history leading to today.

Another question I have is... Had the city of Phoenix, the Suns and the Coyotes come together to either do extensive renovations to US Airways Center to retrofit it properly for NHL hockey or rebuild a new arena altogether on the site, would this have made a serious impact on the viability of the present-day Coyotes?

The problem is, it's all a moot point about arena location because the Coyotes play at Jobing.com Arena in Glendale and that won't change anytime soon should the team get to stay put.

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Building an arena in Glendale was the biggest factor in this mess. From what I hear from Coyotes fans, most of the fanbase is close to downtown Phoenix, while Glendale is about an hour drive from where most of the fanbase is. So, in the end, fans found it quite pointless driving all the way down to Glendale to watch their Coyotes play.

by Frag on Aug 29, 2009 8:11 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

But is it better to drive a little ways? Or is it better to struggle to find parking in a cramped downtown, pay 10 bucks for it then walk a mile to the arena? The D-Backs are downtown and have had troubles selling tickets too. It’s mostly because the team hasn’t been exciting to watch.

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by Travis Hair on Aug 29, 2009 8:22 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

That too

I’m starting to think this situation is becoming somewhat similar to what happened to the Montreal Expos. The Expos were playing poorly, and Loria sold the team to the league. A few years later, the league moved the team to Washington, D.C.

Lets see how this plays out.

by Frag on Aug 29, 2009 8:41 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

sorry frag,

but i live in east mesa, 40 miles from the arena, and it takes me about an hour to get there. from phoenix proper(central, north or south) it’s considerably shorter. i park about 200 yard from the entrance(closer when mrs linda got her handicap placard) for free. i know others in the east valley who make the same drive or further. would i have preferred los arcos or have them tear down war memorial and build the arena there???? shityeah…but they didn’t. bottom line, if you’re a hockey fan and you WANT to go to the games, you pull up your big boy panties and deal with it…

who will rid me of this damn priest?

by goldenbear64 on Aug 30, 2009 9:11 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

That's the problem

Not everyone is a huge hockey fan. There are also casual fans; those who are not willing to make the hour drive down to Glendale to watch their team play.

by Frag on Aug 30, 2009 11:10 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

i wouldn't go

I need accessible seating, and the only ones in the old America West arena are way up in the corners.

Jobing has the best accessible seating anywhere (not just in AZ), the parking is better (even if they charged for it, which maybe they should), and it’s about the same drive time (from Cave Creek) as downtown Phoenix.

The Los Arcos location was horrible at the time (no freeway access at all) and wouldn’t be much better now. Ellman managed to ‘Balsillie’ the whole thing (aka be a giant cocky ahole), so it was doomed from the start.

The core group of hockey fans will travel where they have to, and the rest will follow as soon as we (the Coyotes) have a season where we don’t die after the All Star game.

by George Fallar on Aug 30, 2009 12:25 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Just from the sounds of your article, cityhockF, it sounds like the epic fail came when the the city didn’t help by moderating a negotiation between the Suns and Yotes for duel leasing. Welcome a new team to the city with open arms and then made them fend for themselves. I’m not as familiar with the circumstances, that’s just my take.

Look at Raleigh, NC. The arena may be a few miles from down-town but it’s in a decent spot in regards to commuting. The Centenial Authority (city agency) owns the arena and negotiates deals with NC State, the Canes, show promoters (and an arena Fball team that’s defunct, I think). The newest Hurricanes had to play in Greensboro (ack) while they built the new arena, but at least they did it right – had the city run it and organize leasing. Why someone would build a giant building like an arena with only one sport in mind is beyond me – completely limiting your investment opportunity.

What this whole thing reminds me of is Asheville, NC. They’ve gone through several minor pro hockey teams and a basketball team. There’s a huge sports interest in the area but the city council could care less about sports. As long as the Civic Center passes fire code they’ll keep it running, scaring away every potential team owner in the process.

by Caniac1026 on Aug 31, 2009 12:09 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

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