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Over the next couple of weeks, Five for Howling will be attempting to figure out who our possible rivals around the league could be. Does that necessarily mean that we have the level of hate and malice like Montreal - Toronto? Probably not, but hopefully it will at least generate some debate as to who the teams are that our team and fans get geared up for. In the end we'll have one top Eastern Conference rival and about three Western Conference teams. I'll give some of the recent history between the teams to get things going. I'm breaking things down by division just because it's easier. We'll start today with the Southeast Division and continue with the rest of the East during the week. Next week we'll continue with the Western Conference. Be sure to vote in the poll and tell all your friends! 

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Atlanta Thrashers - All time record against: 10-1-1-0

While the record shows the Coyotes' dominance over the Thrashers, they've been in a lot of close games. Of the 12 games they've played 5 have been decided by only one goal and one has ended in a tie. There aren't really any player specific rivalries to speak of and with only 12 all time meetings there hasn't been much time to relly go up against them.

Memorable Moments: In the only meeting between the two teams in the 06-07 season the Coyotes faced the Thrashers in Atlanta. Curtis Joseph was getting lit up through the first two periods and the defense wasn't helping any. The Thrashers scored 4 unanswered goals to take a 4-1 lead into the second intermission. Coming out in the third, the Coyotes quickly put another goal on the board with a Ladislav Nagy goal just 2:14 in. Shane Doan and Owen Nolan added goals to tie and send it into overtime. In the extra frame Yannik Perrault would put in the game winner on a looong pass from Zbynek Michalek.

 

 

Carolina Hurricanes - All time record against: 7-4-2-2 (Only counting CAR record)

 All time we may lead the series against the Hurricanes, but the last couple of years they've absolutely blasted us when we've played. There's again, no personal connections yet (Though we'll have a Staal too. Really they're brothers?) and without them it's hard to build a long distance rivalry like this.

Memorable Moments: Last year the Hurricanes just creamed us. At one of the low points of the season, after the All-star Break, they visited Jobing.com Arena. It looked like we'd be okay halfway through the game, having come back to tie things up 2-2. Suddenly everything started going wrong though and the Canes would rattle off 5 more goals in the last 30 minutes to beat us 7-2. Not a positive for our team, but certainly something that sticks with you the next time you play.

 

Florida Panthers - All time record against: 8-4-3-1

The Panthers fleeced us last year in the Olli Jokinen deal. Taking Keith Ballardand his mighty hipcheck and giving us a guy that played like crap. Our bad for making the deal, but come on!

Memorable Moments: Last Year's game against the Panthers. While not necessarily making a huge rivalry, was a big game for my favorite young guy Mikkel Boedker. He scored twice in the game including one with some nifty moves to make it 4-1

 

Tampa Bay Lightning - All time record against: 7-9-0-0

Well we just traded them David Hale and Todd Fedoruk for Radim Vrbata, which looks good to them now, but wait until they see them on the ice. Then we should have something going. The rivalry will be there simply for making them watch Hale man the blueline. They also have head coach Rick Tochett, former assistant coach here in Phoenix, also of gambling ring fame. The Lightning have actually owned the Coyotes over the last few years. Before last season They had won 6 games in a row against us dating back to 2001. Last year we finally managed to beat them 3-2.

*EDIT* jpfdeuce of Raw Charge pointed out a couple of notable Lightning-Coyotes moments that I missed (Hey I was in college doing... stuff). Most notable, a hit by SHane Doan that  ended Petr Svoboda's career and the Nikolai Khabibulin trade in 2001 that gave us Mike Johnson, Paul Mara, Ruslan Zainullin and NY Islanders' 2nd round choice that turned into Matthew Spiller. Then Khabibulin stopped throwing a temper tantrum and sucking and played excelent for them. While none of the guys we have even play for us any more.

Memorable Moments: Last year when we finally beat the Bolts' streak against us. Doan got one rolling over Smith and Mueller put it in for a very NHL 09 video game feel to it.

 

Washington Capitals - All time record against: 8-4-4-1

According to some of the PSE attorneys in the Coyotes Bankruptcy case, we lost last season against the Capitals. No seriously. They said that in court. We won  last year 2-1. Glad they were paying attention. I'm not sure we have a level of hate for the Capitals for a real rivalry, heck I was rooting for them in the playoffs until they got KOed. Alex Ovechkin though has the nasty habit of scoring great goals against us.

Memorable Moments: On Martin Luther King Day in a Matinee against the Coyotes Ovechikin scored this goal which was repeated on all major sports networks for the next year and change. I respect the hell out of the guy, but man do I hate playing against him.

 

 So who do you think the most rival worthy team is out of the Southeast? Be sure to vote in the poll and discuss.

Poll
Which Southeast Division team is or could be the Coyotes Biggest Rival
Atlanta Thrashers
24 votes
Carolina Hurricanes
16 votes
Florida Panthers
25 votes
Tampa Bay Lightning
46 votes
Washington Capitals
100 votes

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Lightning

We have a lot of common things with this team, like being in sunbelt cities, not really being profitable and struggling on the ice the last few years. I also had to consider Florida and Atlanta, but picked Tampa.

My body might be in Greece, but my mind and my heart is in Arizona. When the heck will I visit the Desert?

by Giannaros on Jul 21, 2009 11:54 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

as far as bitter rivalries go...

…the most bitter rivalry in the history of the NHL, and all the way up to this very second is Boston-Montreal. Some people argue that it is the longest running hate-fest in the history of North American sports. There has never been any respect at any time, for close to a century.

As far as the Coyotes go for rivalries, all of the best rivalries are forged in the playoffs. Something tragic and poetic has to happen. You know, star player gets taken out of game 3 of the conference finals with cheap shot, comes back in game 7 with 2 rolls of tape on his knee and scores game winner in overtime. You know, awesome stuff like that.

Good rivalries take time to form, and the Coyotes are still a newer team. Eventually a good one will get going.

Maz
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by MrMaz on Jul 22, 2009 6:09 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Well, sure. Boston-Montreal is a great rivalry. Because Montreal sucks and their logo looks like a toilet seat. Also they smell.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 22, 2009 10:05 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

The “hub” looks like a tricycle tire. But that’s beside the point. The Habs consistently win the “Beest NHL Logo” contest(Icethetics and TSN both have that. But, yeah. No rivalry (now) bigger than Boston-Montreal, although Toronto-Montreal can be filthy.

I'm so sick and tired of the refs explaining the calls like this is the NFL.

by Whiter Mage on Jul 22, 2009 1:29 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but Habs fans stuff the box. Remember the All Some Stars Game?

by Jo4nny on Jul 26, 2009 11:23 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

This is why it makes no sense that both teams are playing outdoor games but not facing each other.

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by furcifer on Jul 22, 2009 10:18 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Blame NBC’s draconian attempts to squeeze every last percenate point out of their NHL ratings.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 22, 2009 10:37 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

It’s also been pretty obvious that they have no interest in Canadian teams, since that fanbase already exists.

Jon Casey fan since '84

by stufflife on Jul 22, 2009 11:22 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh I know where the blame lies. The non-rights paying NBC that bends Bettman over and performs unspeakable acts.

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by furcifer on Jul 22, 2009 11:46 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Montreal isn’t playing outdoors next year. The Big O is an indoor stadium, at least when there isn’t a hole in the roof.

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by saskhab on Jul 22, 2009 2:57 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

They’re taking off the roof.

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by furcifer on Jul 29, 2009 1:45 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Capitals

It works better if the rival is a team that has something going for it, which the Caps do, the ’Canes sort of do, and the other three…well….

Anyway enough of the reason why it should be the Caps… time for the trash talking to begin! Hee hee…

You know how much better the Caps are than the Coyotes? The Caps can score while lying on their backs against these guys! The proof’s on You Tube! Hah!

So….how was that? ;-)

Actually, as a Caps fan, it’d be an honor for our team to be your team’s bigest Southeast division rival.

Let's go Caps!

by MikeL-Caps on Jul 22, 2009 6:55 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Forgot some long standing Phoenix/TB facts

Shane Doan ended the career of TB defenseman Petr Svoboda early this decade. Not intentionally but it was a freakish concussion (broken nose with the bone smashed up into his head ).

And while you cite the fact the Vrbata deal looks good to us now, the purpose of trading Vrbata is a salary dump. As long as Hale and Fedoruk don’t breathe wrong, the Lightning come out winners as we had no intention of playing Vrbata if he were to come back to the US for this upcoming season.

Speaking of trades that must have looked good at the time… Nikolai Khabibulin anyone?

The Raw Charge -- the Tampa Bay Lightning weblog at SB Nation.

by John Fontana on Jul 22, 2009 8:19 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

For Tampa's sake...

You best hope that Fridge and Hale cannot breathe right…it doesn’t matter what Vrbata does for the ’Yotes. Hale and Fedoruk are a complete and utter waste of space on the ice. Hale is good for at least 1 bad goal allowed every other game, and Fridge…I have no idea what his purpose is.

We have plenty of underperforming centers and wingers with talent here…Vrby should fit right in.

As for the rivalry, it’s not getting much love, but I really think in terms of a team I don’t like from the division it has to be Florida (I don’t like Tampa either, but that’s more from my Flyers roots). Losing Ballard and Boynton for that bum Jokinen last year is going to give me grief for a long time, and I’d love to see the Desert Dogs spank the beach Cats for years to come…

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by Moridin417 on Jul 22, 2009 8:46 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Hale "was the price" for the salary dump TB did in this deal

…and I don’t think he has any future with the Lightning unless he is willing to play in the AHL. Look at the Bolts depth chart on defense so far this off-season: Adding Ohlund, Hedman, Foster, Walker… then the fact the Bolts will have Andrej Meszaros and Paul Ranger returnign from injury shortened seasons… That’s a top six right there…. Hale doesn’t fit. Even the reserve roles — the Bolts have a ton of RFA D-Men. Basically 11 players (with Hale) who could suit up for NHL teams next season. Something’s got to give and we’re waiting for that shoe to fall…

I just seriously don’t expect Hale to be a member of the Lightning or attaining any sort of regular minutes with the club if he somehow holds on. Fedoruk? They were looking for a lower line winger (after losing David Koci to free agency).

The Raw Charge -- the Tampa Bay Lightning weblog at SB Nation.

by John Fontana on Jul 22, 2009 9:35 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

That's true...

I’m just perfectly happy to not have either Hale or Fedoruk on the roster. I think Vrbata got a bad start in Tampa, but he can be a useful piece in the right situation…the same way that I think Upshall is more valuable to the ’Yotes than he was to the Flyers, just given the role they will be asked to play…

World Ph*cking Champs! That was fun - let's do it again...

by Moridin417 on Jul 22, 2009 9:56 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

It's really the same here

Right now this looks like a win-win trade to be frank. Of course, if Radim wins the Richard Trophy in 2009-10, then the ’Yotes win this hands down. Expectations for all players involved are not that high…

Radim did sign into a bad situation for himself in TB (and I say that not including the rest of the circus that has been goign on here with ownership). Going back to the ’Yotes gives him a chance to prove himself again in a familiar setting.

The Raw Charge -- the Tampa Bay Lightning weblog at SB Nation.

by John Fontana on Jul 22, 2009 11:26 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I voted Carolina

How could it not be them?
There are too many similarities.

1. Both former WHL teams
2. Both moved further south from a more northern city.
3. Coyotes are a menace in North Carolina

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by furcifer on Jul 22, 2009 9:55 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

ooops should read WHA.

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by furcifer on Jul 22, 2009 9:56 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

ooh one more point

in the first AVCO Trophy (the WHA trophy) in 1973, the New England Whalers (now Carolina Hurricanes) defeated the Winnipeg Jets (now Phoenix Coyotes) 4 games to 1.

The Whalers were never able to match that success though

In a rematch in 1978 the Jets swept the Whalers to win the Trophy.

Jets ended up winning 3 Avcos from 1973-1979 and the Whalers only had the one.

Coyotes-Hurricanes – history’s behind it.

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by furcifer on Jul 22, 2009 10:01 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I voted Hurricanes just because I don’t like the Hurricanes.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 22, 2009 10:07 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Who likes Peter Karmanos anyway?

I'm so sick and tired of the refs explaining the calls like this is the NFL.

by Whiter Mage on Jul 22, 2009 1:32 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I do

If money's the root of all evil then why do so many
churches brow beat their members for more?

by lcd2you on Aug 9, 2009 8:27 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh well,

we can’t all be fans of the Canes.

We need people to laugh at too.

Favorite Team, period: Canes

Favorite Western Team: Coyotes

If money's the root of all evil then why do so many
churches brow beat their members for more?

by lcd2you on Aug 9, 2009 8:26 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I’d think Tampa would be your biggest SE rival, mainly due to the trades that you guys have had with each other. The Khabibulin/Mara trade may have done more for the Lightning to build their Cup winning team than any other move.

Coyotes-Hurricanes… sure, both teams have WHA roots, but to me that’s about where it ends. I don’t consider Colorado the Habs’ biggest rival in the Northwest just because they were once Quebec (that’d be Calgary). To each their own, I suppose, but to me there’s legitimate basis for a Lightning dislike for Coyotes fans.

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by saskhab on Jul 22, 2009 3:03 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Atlanta

Why are they always trying to move the Yotes?, when no one would care if Atlanta moved.

by elricsi on Jul 22, 2009 7:30 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

I’ve been saying this for ages. They should move all the Atlanta teams

A Nation of Masochists The waiting is the hardest part but the truculence helps.

by furcifer on Jul 29, 2009 1:46 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

300,000,000 dollars lost would be the reason for the Yotes to move…. if they do.
Its hard to acknowldge a fact like this to ‘real fans’ who show up to the games. Those who don’t show up, really could care less…. or so the perception goes.

But seriously, if we are a revenue based league…. the Yotes aren’t cutting it.

by Cruisin4aBruisin on Jul 23, 2009 8:05 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

I blame that on Yotes ownership

just putting out hockey without trying to draw kids in via hockey rinks with little league teams, etc means nothing.

They need to start sponsoring adult and children leagues. If they would have started that, what 15 years ago, they’d have a much larger fanbase and I think would be more than self-sustaining.

If money's the root of all evil then why do so many
churches brow beat their members for more?

by lcd2you on Aug 9, 2009 8:31 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Neither are TB, Nashville, Atlanta… so… moot point though I see TB is in it up to their chin as well… trying to prove they have the money for the future.

by Cruisin4aBruisin on Jul 23, 2009 8:06 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

I'm late to the party but...

I read this and think… “Why pick just one?!” Make something out of all of them. The division is your oyster…? kick the crap outta them all and see what develops over time. LoLs That’s my non-conducive answer.

Hockey ain't fun unless it's dirrrty, kids.

by Rhaen on Jul 28, 2009 5:01 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

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