KEEP THE COYOTES IN ARIZONA
I live in Chicago, a city with a rich hockey tradition. As a Blackhawks fan (and blogger) I have that tradition, dating back to 1926, to draw on.
I understand Canada's passion for hockey. It's their National sport. I think the league would be well-served to have a team not only in Hamilton, but in Winnipeg as well.
But not this team.
I had, up until recently, thought the best thing for this franchise would be to just get a commitment from Winnipeg for a new building, and move the Coytes back up there, take the Jets sweaters out of mothballs, and have Shane Doan skate out to a big ovation.
But, every grand old tradition begins as a new one. Even the Montreal Canadiens were once the new kids on the block.
The Coyotes are a team that can follow the trajectory of the current Blackhawks roster, and that trajectory alone would bring hockey enthusiasm to the Phoenix area. The young players like Kyle Turris, Mikkel Boedker and Viktor Tikhonov will bring this franchise into playoff contention, possibly as soon as next season. An exciting young team that will learn how to win is exactly what you need to continue building a fanbase.
Gary Bettman has already stated the NHL's commitment to keeping the Coyotes in the Phoenix area, but that isn't enough. (In fact, there's every possibility that if Bettman said he wanted to move the Coyotes, that would be the best possible news for Phoenix fans)
But seriously, there are other franchises, like Atlanta (which had failed in the 80s, and there wasn't exactly a clamor for the return of hockey to that town), that are far better candidates for relocation. That is a franchise in total disarray, and there will be no tears shed if they show up in Hamilton.
Leave the Coyotes where they are. It will be far better for the NHL to do so in the long run.
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by Travis Hair on May 8, 2009 7:06 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Count on it...
…also, we’d love to have you on one of our “Puckcasts” once the Hawks win the Cup.
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by Forklift14 on May 8, 2009 7:27 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha. We’ll have to see about that… THe cup that is. Podcast should be no problem :)
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by Travis Hair on May 8, 2009 7:31 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I think
your Blackhawks prove that it’s hard work to build and bring back a fanbase. It wasn’t that long ago that the Blackhawks were hurting for attendance simply because people didn’t want to support a team that was poorly run anymore. If a new ownership group were able to follow what the Blackhawks and Canucks have done in recent years, both on the ice and making the product accessible, we might see a completely different Coyotes fanbase.
You wanna cash out, and get the hell outta town. Don't be a baby, remember what you told me.
by soco on May 8, 2009 7:52 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
The Blackhawks' success
Can be traced to one moment – the moment of “Dollar” Bill’s last breath. Until his son Rocky took over the team, you had this huge media market that had no access to Blackhawks’ home games. You had the team run by Bob Pulford, who steadfastly refused to pay for premium talent.
So, as a result, you have an Original Six team in a new building getting 8000 people to any game that wasn’t the Red Wings.
It’s a ball now to watch a game with 22,000 of my closest friends.
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by Forklift14 on May 8, 2009 8:36 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Well yeah
that’s what I mean. The Blackhawks worked to make themselves more accessible. The point is that the Coyotes would need to put in significant work if they want to remain viable.
You wanna cash out, and get the hell outta town. Don't be a baby, remember what you told me.
by soco on May 8, 2009 8:45 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The big thing is that the Hawks are good. Phoenix is on the verge and just need the chance to ice a competitive team.
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by PPP on May 8, 2009 9:37 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
The Hawks’ years of futility enabled them to stockpile high first rounders like Seabrook, Barker, Kane and Toews. The Coyotes have Turris, Boedker and Tikhonov, all of whom will be fine NHL players. They’re right there, and people will be winning to invest emotionally and financially (season tickets), for a team that looks like they’re headed for great things.
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by Forklift14 on May 8, 2009 10:36 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The troll has been banned.
I had my fun telling him to buy shirts, but I don’t want him ruining anyone’s day.
Odin
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by Travis Hair on May 8, 2009 9:37 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Good afternoon Yotes fans,
I am a Florida native now living in Canada and a rabid hockey fan. I appreciate what you are trying to do here to save your team but this is the truth…There are 30 owners in the NHL, all who want to make a profit. There is a CBA in place where when league revenues go up so does the salary cap. If teams like Phoenix, Florida, Tampa, and Atlanta continue in markets where they lose money year after year, the other 26 owners reap the benefits from a lower salary cap. What Bettman is doing to you is making you think he cares about keeping your team, what he is really doing is having other teams pay to keep your team alive so they won’t have to pay their own players (and yours) more money. It’s sad, but believe me Bettman is not your friend. If someone made an offer to move your team to say New Mexico where they could make a lot of money initally and then have another money loser, he would do it to you in a second. Your team has lost money for at least the past three years and their seems to be no end in sight. I wish you the best of luck with your quest but before you put in too much effort into this consider that you are trying to save the Titanic and only the bow of the ship can be seen now. JB’s website of "make it seven" now has over 100,000 signatures. You need a fanbase that starts with kids, and they usually need to play the game to love the game. In a city of 80,000 people near Ottawa we have 6 house league and 2 competitive teams…for 9-10 year old girls only! My “beer” league hockey has 120 teams and it is only 1 of 12 leagues in the area. How can Phoenix compete with that? Chicago is different, they are a “traditional” hockey market, lots of kids PLAY hockey in Chicago. If the Phoenix Suns were going to move to Ottawa I would not support it as we have basketball fans, but few leagues and little interest other then a bit of University hoops, it would never work here, just like hockey won’t work were kids will never see snow or ice other then in a slushie.
by Sens on May 9, 2009 12:28 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
hockey won’t work were kids will never see snow or ice other then in a slushie
I will have to respectfully disagree with you on that. I am a native of San Jose, where it snowed once back in the ‘70s and hasn’t since. Where going to the snow requires a 5 hour drive up to Tahoe. Where you can find people wearing tank tops and flip flops in the middle of February.
And yet, there’s support for the Sharks. Lots of it – only one game failed to sell out this year, and that was on election night. The fans are ranked the third most distracting by players after Montreal and Philly. San Jose boasts the largest adult league in the country. Ice time at the local rinks is at a premium, with some people having to play at 11pm because that’s the only time available. Kids are picking up hockey in droves, and some are even being drafted in the NHL – Viktor Tikhonov actually grew up in the area and played for the Santa Clara Blackhawks.
Phoenix can be the same way – give the team a few seasons to make the playoffs (maybe even one – if it wasn’t for a post-ASG collapse, they might have made it this year) and watch as fans flock to games. Success breeds fans, which is true for any sport. Continued success – which is a likely possibility with the young core that the Coyotes have – will breed die-hard fans who will stick with the team through rough patches and off years. Have the ownership reach out to the community and establish youth hockey programs to build a base of young hockey fans (I’m not sure if the Coyotes organization has already done this or now). It may take a while, but a successful Phoenix-based hockey team is not an impossible task.
by mymclife on May 9, 2009 2:07 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
To mymclife of San Jose
Hey, I hadn’t even given San Jose (or LA or Anaheim)consideration. I was not aware of the amount of hockey being played in that area. I think you would then agree with me though that Phoenix not having these types of leagues and the fact that San Jose has also been blessed with a very skilled and successful regular season team (that chokes in the playoffs every year much like my beloved Sens but that’s besides the point) puts Phoenix in a very different position from San Jose, not one I would want to be in if I was looking to purchase the team. It’s just not a good financial risk in my opinion unless you move it to a “sure thing” . That could also include Seattle or Kansas City but they will likely end up with the Thrashers, Islanders, Lightning, or Panthers. A lot of posts mention how if JB gets his way it will set a precedent regarding owners moving teams. I think we will see some major sports franchises move more then we would in the past. In a recession the owners will do whatever it takes to protect their investment.
by Sens on May 10, 2009 8:59 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Then perhaps you are not aware of the amount of hockey being played in Phoenix either....
If you don’t think people play hockey here, you might want to ask the people who frequent the 20 rinks in the area. Or perhaps you might want to ask this kid http://murphhockey.com/ who has been playing hockey since he was 3 years old. Or talk to the people who fight for ice time at the local rinks… or the members of the Arizona High School Hockey Association… or the Arizona Amateur Hockey Association or the amateur adults who play at midnight because that’s the only time that is available…. I could go on here, but I think you get the point. In addition to the numerous ice hockey leagues we have in the Phoenix area (adult, adult women, adult mens, youth, youth girls….), we also have inline hockey, roller hockey & street hockey leagues. But perhaps you could just ask Dave Spina, who was born and raised in Mesa and is now playing for the Coyotes AHL farm team, The San Antonio Rampage. Anyone of those people could tell you that hockey is alive and well in the desert.
by C13TheDiva on Jun 2, 2009 7:06 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
What about Dallas and Florida?
both franchises that drew well this season. The Islanders play on Long Island, where there are plenty of youth hockey programs.
Bottom line is, fans will come out to see a good team, and the Coyotes (more than the Thrashers, who are a bad team that is at most one season away from losing their best player) are on the cusp of being one. Their fortunes will turn around wherever they are, so they might as well stay where there is some fan investment.
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by Forklift14 on May 10, 2009 6:59 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Long Island...
…sorry, it’s early, and I never completed my point about the Islanders.
They are a brutal team, and don’t draw fans as a result. Sure, there are two other NHL teams in the area, but there are 20 million people in the Greater NY Area, and it’s not like people in NJ are going to schlep out to Huntington to see the Islanders, even if they’re going to win the Cup. The fans from LI, Brooklyn and Queens (a good 10 million right there) can sustain the Isles, provided they win some games, and look like they have an idea about how to build a hockey team.
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by Forklift14 on May 10, 2009 7:02 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Bingo
People think that the Hamilton fanbase will be just like the Leafs but they forget that it’s been 80 years in the making and that generations of fans still live in the city AND that every other team in the city has fans while it’s good and none when it’s bad.
Hamilton will do well for a few seasons while it’s a novelty but if it becomes a bad team it’ll have the same problems as every other Canadian team has to face.
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by PPP on May 10, 2009 7:55 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Paragraph breaks are your friends, remember that.
“Rabid fans” have nothing to do about the business aspect of a major league. Seems to me, you have more hockey than you can handle, eh? Why would you need somebody else’s team? Does Canada have such an inferority complex that they’d take a team stolen by the “Blackberry Bandit?” I would find that hard to believe. You also might note the Maple Leafs and Sabres have been quiet on this topic. I would think they are just waiting for the exact opportunity to object, as both of those franchises should.
http://www.secondcityhockey.com/2009/5/6/867221/reinsdorf-to-own-coyotes
Good luck to Phoenix. This guy is just jealous that he’s still shoveling snow in May.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 10, 2009 11:03 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
But, he is in Florida, my mistake.
so he wouldn’t be shoveling snow. Perhaps he should attend NHL games in Florida and not worry about Canadian house league teams…..and teams in Southern Ontario.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 10, 2009 11:06 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
For the Jazz Man
I am a Florida native now living in Canada
I’m not too sure what part of that sentence was confusing, but I live in Ottawa. You live in San Diego and think we are “still shoveling snow in May”…seriously? Please note, we don’t use dogsleds to get to work and we do have summer up here. We have no reason to have an inferiority complex and I am not proud to say I am American (only) when I consider that so is Gary Bettman. Heck my Senators didn’t make the playoffs so I’m cheering for Chicago!
I think the Leafs and Sabres are being quiet because if JB moves in on their territory they will reap a financial winfall.
Do you also disagree with the fact that a major sport does better in a market where most kids play the sport? See the Vancouver Grizzlies for further details.
Do you know how much a “gold” section seat costs in Toronto, if you can even get one? How about in Ottawa or Montreal? (Try anywhere from $150-$400 each! ) Check it out if you think that you don’t need “Rabid fans”. From what I understand, you can buy a bottle of Smirnoff vodka in Glendale and get two free Coyotes tickets.
I really don’t want to stoop to the level of other posts and I truly feel for die-hard Coyotes fans, if only there were enough of them to support the team we wouldn’t even be talking about this. The Coyotes have a great goalie and some really exciting forwards but like the Quebec Nordiques they probably won’t enjoy true success until they have left Arizona.
by Sens on May 10, 2009 9:55 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I recommend Mozilla
It has an embedded spell checker.
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by Forklift14 on May 11, 2009 7:40 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, the "reply button isn't working...
But just to clarify Sens’ comment above, the Coyotes won’t be successful until they move to Canada, just as the Nordiques weren’t successful until they left Canada.
That about covers it?
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by Forklift14 on May 11, 2009 10:37 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
So then we just need to trade the Coyotes for the Maple leafs and then everyone would be successful??? LOL
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by Travis Hair on May 11, 2009 10:54 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I beg to differ, The Nords were succesful to the end, The arena was too small and old. The Colisée was built in the 50’s. They added the upper deck in 1980, but the the rest was left untouched. No team could survive with a 14,500 seat arena.
by Shawa on May 11, 2009 12:07 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed...
The Colisée was built for QMJHL play (Guy Lafleur played his juniors there, then ended his NHL career there), but Sens used an example that invalidated his original point.
Quebec City was the second-smallest North American city to ever have a major league sports franchise (first is Green Bay), so even with a 20,000 seat arena, they may not have been able to generate a large enough local TV/radio revenue to sustain a franchise (unlike the Packers, who are sustained by NFL revenue sharing).
Joking aside, the Leafs would be less succesful than the Coyotes in Arizona, because their best young player is more of a defensive player than a goal scorer. You build a fan base by playing the type of hockey the Coyotes are going to be capable of playing in very short order.
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by Forklift14 on May 11, 2009 12:31 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Good Luck
Hurricanes fan here:
Believe me, I understand the stigma that comes with being a southern market, and having to defend your team’s mere existance to blog baffoonery (or ignoring it, which can be harder). If Pheonix is anything like Raleigh, I’m sure it has a blossoming hockey culture, highlighted by droves of 60 lbs kids draging around 100 lbs bags of hockey gear.
I truely hope things work out in Glenndale.
by Caniac1026 on Jun 3, 2009 12:56 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

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