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Make it Seven
The Phoenix Coyotes are on life support. Moving them to Southern Ontario is a smart move if you think about it. Where would you rather have a hockey team? In the middle of the desert, or in a hockey-crazed area in southern ontario? It seems like a no-brainer to me.
by goleafsgo on May 7, 2009 7:49 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
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by Travis Hair on May 7, 2009 9:10 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
If you signed up just do to do a jig at least make sure that there is a grave. This team isn’t going anywhere.
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by PPP on May 7, 2009 9:27 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for stopping by too PPP ;-) Buy a shirt? LOL
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by Travis Hair on May 7, 2009 9:29 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
No Problem
Saw it on the i-desk tonight! Couldn’t hear what they said but I think the league’s position is strong.
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by PPP on May 7, 2009 9:29 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
It looks like it. Especially now that the league is saying they’ve been in control since November.
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by Travis Hair on May 7, 2009 9:31 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Which brings up its own issues but I think that has to seal the deal for the league.
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by PPP on May 7, 2009 9:34 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. It does make issues, but it also means the bankruptcy is more likely to get tossed which is bad for Kitchner, Good for Me!
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by Travis Hair on May 7, 2009 9:36 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Hello Hamilton
The Phoenix Coyotes, are a failing franchise. The only way that they could possibly survive, is a move to Southern Ontario. As I can see here, the Coyotes do have a small fanbase, but it’s clearly not enough to support an NHL team. I don’t even know why someone would put a game that uses “ice” in a desert. It was a bad idea. On the bright side, the team has a great future. Hopefully, it’ll be somewhere that averages more than 10,000 fans a game. That place is in Canada. Oh, and while i’m ranting. Bettman, go back to the NBA, you don’t know a single thing about locating franchises, and you should be fired. Put your personal issues aside, and do something right for a change. GO BALSILLIE!!!!! MAKE IT SEVEN!!!!!!
by gtfophoenix! on May 7, 2009 8:11 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
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by Travis Hair on May 7, 2009 9:10 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously?
Take your own advice and get the fuck out.
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by PPP on May 7, 2009 9:29 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
That was just about the worst retort I have ever seen… _ I’m really sure you care about the Coyotes… “get the fuck out”… You have some REAL team spirit going there, i mean, have you seen all the brown in the jobing arena? Oh, right thats empty seats.
MAKE IT SEVEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by gtfophoenix! on May 7, 2009 10:07 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
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Did you see that “Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.” That means he’s the writer of our Maple Leafs Blog. I’m sure he’d welcome you too. Also, our seats are red. But glad you’re watching our games. Check us out on Center Ice next year.
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by Travis Hair on May 7, 2009 10:11 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Do I normally care about the Coyotes? Not really.
Do I care that trolls are popping into my friend’s site to bother him? Yeah, I do.
And the ‘worst retort’? I think you won that with the team spirit crack.
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by PPP on May 8, 2009 6:42 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The naked truth
Good afternoon Yotes fans,
I am a Florida native now living in Canada and a rabid hockey fan. I appreciate what you are trying to do here to save your team but this is the truth…There are 30 owners in the NHL, all who want to make a profit. There is a CBA in place where when league revenues go up so does the salary cap. If teams like Phoenix, Florida, Tampa, and Atlanta continue in markets where they lose money year after year, the other 26 owners reap the benefits from a lower salary cap. What Bettman is doing to you is making you think he cares about keeping your team, what he is really doing is having other teams pay to keep your team alive so they won’t have to pay their own players (and yours) more money. It’s sad, but believe me Bettman is not your friend. If someone made an offer to move your team to say New Mexico where they could make a lot of money initally and then have another money loser, he would do it to you in a second. Your team has lost money for at least the past three years and their seems to be no end in sight. I wish you the best of luck with your quest but before you put in too much effort into this consider that you are trying to save the Titanic and only the bow of the ship can be seen now. JB’s website of “make it seven” now has over 100,000 signatures. I just don’t think you can compete guys. Sorry, I think it would be a poor decision financially to buy a t-shirt.
by Sens on May 9, 2009 12:08 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The argument that a successful team in Hamilton would raise the salary cap is ridiculous. How much more revenue do you think that this team will bring in? Then split that 30 ways and take 54% of it. That’s how much of an effect it would have on the cap. It would be basically negligible.
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by PPP on May 10, 2009 7:50 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Here to stay!
The Coyotes aren’t going anywhere because the NHL is looking at potential growth and long term sales. Say the Yotes do move to Hamilton, their potential fan base is 647 thousand where as Phoenix has three times as many potential fans. I understand that Southern Canada would sell out every game but ticket sales are only a portion of the profit the city of Glendale and the Coyotes make by having the team here. Just like the Cardinals proved this year, win and the fans show up in droves.
by Be Coyotes Cool on May 7, 2009 8:40 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
647 thousand?
Gotta disagree with you here. The potential fan base for a team in Hamilton is closer to 8 Million. The Golden Horseshoe is the most populated region of Canada, then you must include all the cities within 2hrs, so there is literally millions of hockey hungry fans with no team to call their own. Leafs games are impossible to go to, Sabres, Pens and Wings games are all we have. It’s a huge nuisance to cross the border but many of us do it numerous times a season to see a team we like. If we had our own team (and I don’t necessarily mean your team) it would appease millions of people. I’m an Oilers fan so I know what it’s like to be on the brink of losing your team, I’ve been there. But something has to happen there within the next season. I don’t know what your corporate sponsorship is like there but an NHL team should always be in the black. Especially since the introduction of the salary cap.
Anyway, I wish you guys luck in keeping your team. Bettman will never allow Balsillie to ice a team here which is unfortunate because it would be a top 5 profiting team and inject more money into the entire league so everyone would win.
by Nelson16 on May 9, 2009 7:35 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
You’re including all of the Golden Horseshoe which isn’t accurate either. How many people are going to go from Whitby, Pickering, Scarborough across the city to get to Hamilton? How many of those are a. hockey fans b. not Leaf fans c. not fans of other teams already?
People need to keep in mind that the Leafs’ fanbase has been 80 years in the making. A new team in Hamilton isn’t going to get a fraction of the leeway that the Leafs do because they won’t have the massive fanbase to deal with any lulls in competitiveness.
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by PPP on May 10, 2009 7:52 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Here’s the thing, no matter who they cheer for, living in Oshawa, Pickering, etc, they can’t see a hockey game. Why? Because you can’t get into a Leafs game and it is unreasonable to anticipate anyone is going to drive 5hrs in any direction to see a hockey game. 3hrs, maybe. There is one Canadian team servicing Southern Ontario and you CAN NOT get tickets to see them without paying incredibly inflated prices through a third party ticket dealer. So, from Kingston to London, Hamilton to Sudbury, there is really no Canadian NHL team to see. You figure out the demographics, population numbers, etc. It is a region in dire need of a hockey team. Why should I have to drive 4hrs to see Detroit play (which I did yesterday), why should I spend my hard earned money on a team in another country? Why should I be supporting another regions team when my region is more than able to support a team of its own? Because Bettman is ignorant and stubborn? One mans inability to admit that he was wrong shouldn’t be a reason for millions of people to be without something that they care so much about.
by Nelson16 on May 11, 2009 11:31 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The Hamilton games against the other Canadian teams will sell out without a doubt.
However, how many of those that are already fans of teams in the NHL are going to shift allegiances? How many hockey fans do not have a team and will suddenly adopt Hamilton as their team? How many will decide to re-allocate their entertainment money to hockey?
I definitely agree that there should be at least one more team in the GTA but I also see that there are some unintended consequences, especially for Canadian teams, that Canadian fans are either glossing over or completely unaware of their existence.
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by PPP on May 11, 2009 12:49 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I certain almost all the games will sell out. More sell outs than what the latest batch of expansion/relocation teams are fielding, that’s almost certain. As to how people will take to the team? As for numbers, i can’t guess, but I will say that enough people would to make the team more successful than many of the teams now. Would they be my #1 favorite team off the bat? Nope. Would I buy seasons tickets and drive 2-3hrs to as many games as I could? Yup. Am I the only person with the resources and desire to do this in Southern Ontario? Definitely not! The only way you can explore how many people will support the team is to go out and put a team in the area. You won’t have fans for a team that doesn’t exist. But from the support the team has already gotten from the public, private corporate sector, provincial government and federal government, it will do just fine.
And what are the unintended consequences that you speak of? The ones that will affect other Canadian teams that we’re all blind to? Leafs may lose a minute percentage of their monopoly? A kid in London may cheer for Hamilton/KW over another team? Well, lets think about it. That kid (doesn’t matter what age, 6-60) won’t go buy tickets to a Canucks game? Guess what, that kid didn’t buy them anyway because his team’s across the country. But, when that team comes to visit, he’ll buy a ticket.
As for people re-allocating entertainment money to hockey, I know they will. If anyone wants to sit through a Leafs game, it’ll cost them a few hundred bucks. And to top it off, they’ll have to search high and low for a ticket to buy. With a new team, they won’t have to pay quite as much, heck, they might be able to get into two games for the price of one Leafs ticket. Most people don’t have hockey in their entertainment budget because it’s simply not an option. Make it an option!
And why put the team in the GTA when you can locate it more central for the rest of Ontario to enjoy? I know this is a shock to many 416ers and 905ers, but there is life outside the GTA and we do have money and yes, we 519ers would like to see a game, too.
by Nelson16 on May 11, 2009 1:34 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
But from the support the team has already gotten from the public, private corporate sector, provincial government and federal government, it will do just fine.
It’s easy to support something that gets pitched as Canada v. US and it doesn’t cost those people a red cent.
And what are the unintended consequences that you speak of?
The precedent that this move would set is that the league has no control over the location of franchises. I know that a lot of Canadian fans like to forget their history but the Oilers and Senators are less than a decade removed from long drawn out sales. The Oilers were actually sold to a massive consortium of locals. If those teams (or any other Canadian teams) get into trouble again then they will look at Phoenix and see that their best move is to sell to the highest bidder with no regard for who will keep the team in Canada. If this had been the case before Edmonton, Calgary, Ottawa, and Vancouver could all have found themselves without teams.
You completely missed the point. It has nothing to do with the Leafs’ losing a few fans or a slice of their profits because they likely won’t.
And why put the team in the GTA when you can locate it more central for the rest of Ontario to enjoy? I know this is a shock to many 416ers and 905ers, but there is life outside the GTA and we do have money and yes, we 519ers would like to see a game, too.
There is life but there isn’t anywhere near the population base or money available. You want to give the team the best shot possible at success and that’s putting the team as close to the GTA, if not within it, as possible.
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by PPP on May 12, 2009 7:40 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The 2007 ticket drive for the “Hamilton Predators” indicated that people were willing to put up money for the mere possibility that they would have a team to watch. That kind of support for a rumor shows that people are passionate about a team and to boil it down to merely Canada Vs. US somewhat overlooks the real issue. As for the teams you mentioned having trouble in Canada, that was in a pre-salary cap era. An era when the loonie was barely worth .60US. The economy will always fluctuate but due to the salary caps, money put in escrow, etc, that sad state won’t happen again unless the fans turn their back on a team. Additionally, it will definitely never happen in Edmonton again with their new ownership. As for being in the GTA, again, you missed the memo. Balsillie is looking to put a team in an UNSERVICED market. GTA has a team. Time for the rest of us to enjoy some hockey. Its not about going to an area with the alleged most “money available.” The guy has the money, he’ll have his own arena in KW, it’s about being out of the Leafs and Sabres boundaries and in an unserviced market. He doesn’t need to rely on an existing infrastructure like many other teams. The evidence is there, whether you choose to see it or not.
by Nelson16 on May 12, 2009 11:53 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not that I do not see the factors that point towards likely success or not because I do it’s whether I give them the “absolutely, slam dunk, there is no way in hell anything can possibly go wrong” status that you do.
that sad state won’t happen again unless the fans turn their back on a team
The Canucks, Flames, and Oilers’ fanbases all turned their backs on their team when their team stunk. The senators’ fanbase hasn’t had a chance to do so yet but they will when the time comes.
The ‘ticket drive’ was a minimal deposit. It would have been interesting to see how many of those people dropped out when the economy took a turn for the worse. The salary floor is already above what the average salary was prior to the lockout when all of those Canadian teams were struggling and the loonie is well down from the heady days of par value. Who’s to say it won’t get worse again? The benefit is obviously that Balsillie is a billionaire but he didn’t get there by being stupid so the jury’s out on whether he’ll swallow huge losses when Hamilton sucks.
All I am saying is that there are a number of factors, even putting aside hockey, that you are apparently unwilling to recognize.
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by PPP on May 12, 2009 1:17 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The senators’ fanbase hasn’t had a chance to do so yet but they will when the time comes.
I can always count on being humbled when I visit Odin’s extended GTA fansite.
Talk about assigning an “absolutely, slam dunk, there is no way in hell anything can possibly go wrong status” when all of the evidence points in the opposite direction.
Yes, Ottawa faced a bankruptcy. Yet the fans still packed the rink at over 100% of capacity.
Same as 2008, during the collapse of the mini-dynasty.
Same as 2009, when we sucked as badly as your Leafs.
We get it, PPP. Your love for Phoenix is rooted in your belief that all Canadians suck, including those in Toronto whose opinions differ from your own.
@Odin
Along the same vein as Phoenix representing huge potential for growth compared to a mature market in Ontario, perhaps PPP’s preaching to the choir is a less effective tool than his wanton alienation of the potential Phoenix supporters in my fair city.
BTW, congrats to Moyes for eclipsing MLSE in the “Best Owners in Sports” rankings. If you can’t do better than Moyes, then maybe your fanbase is the one that will turn their backs on their team.
Why rely on hard numbers, when ridiculous blanket statements can be pawned off so easily.
by TD O'Dell on May 12, 2009 1:39 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
What did I do? :(
Okay. Seriously. I’m not going to beat on other teams. I just want everyone else to get on the same page that this team can be successful here and no one has more of a right to hockey than anyone else.
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by Travis Hair on May 12, 2009 3:00 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm jus' playin'
For all of the talk about the small size of the Yotes’ fanbase, you should try existing as a Sens fan in the Toronto-centric universe that is this series of tubes.
Perhaps I haven’t yet learned how to articulate my position without coming off as genuinely anti-anybody. I’ll work on that. Sarcasm is obviously not my forte, but this is:
Take that, Kia!
PPP and his brethren are so numerous and vocal that my tiny voice could never bring them down a peg – if you are listening to this message, this is John Connor.
I see now that I followed up my @Odin with more slings aimed at PPP. My bad.
by TD O'Dell on May 12, 2009 5:06 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The question is can you have that built and sent to me for free? Because that would be super.
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by Travis Hair on May 12, 2009 5:12 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if they ever did build one.
More phallic than Corvette’s Batmobile, though maybe slightly less than Ace & Gary’s hoopdie, this 2007 concept from Coventry would make a fine ride for Batiman and his boy wonder.
That don’t make me gay, do it?
by TD O'Dell on May 12, 2009 6:04 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
No. If you can find it…. Coyote Red and Sand please.
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by Travis Hair on May 12, 2009 7:10 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
You really do manage to come across as a real dick. Probably because you managed to take everything as an attack on your insecurities.
I was glad to have Ottawa in the league and I’ll be glad to have an expansion team in Hamilton or its environs. I’d rather the Coyotes not move because I think that would set a dangerous precedent for the other Canadian teams that unfortunately are nowhere near as financially stable as the Maple Leafs.
TD if you think you can compare one bad season to the terrible periods that Vancouver, Edmonton, and Calgary went through you’re off your rocker. Thanks to very good management the senators have never had the string of failures that those teams did. Congratulations that your loyal fanbase sold out games during the first tough season in a decade.
And way to pick up that SI owners ranking. That was really a top-notch report.
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by PPP on May 13, 2009 7:00 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Send them packing
It makes perfect sense to move the franchise back to Canada where it came from… I have no idea why the Jets left Winnipeg, it’s a hockey crazy city!!! No one has cared about the Coyotes until now… At least you still have the Suns and the Cardinals, and it’s too damn hot down there for hockey!!! haha. MAKE IT 7!!!
by mkit7 on May 8, 2009 6:20 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
I think you don’t know what you’re talking about. There were tonnes of reasons why Winnepeg not only left but why they wouldn’t succeed now either.
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by PPP on May 8, 2009 6:52 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
WRONG
Financial problems didn’t caused the Jets to leave, there crappy arena did. Not enough seats. In Glendale, there are plenty seats, and there not getting filled.
MAKE IT SEVEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by gtfophoenix! on May 8, 2009 7:53 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha
So the fact that they couldn’t get the money to build a better arena had no effect on the team?
And you think that the undersized arena they have now is good enough?
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by PPP on May 8, 2009 9:34 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
why southern ontario?
sure the Yotes are in serious financial trouble, but there are other options than southern ontario.
by thistypeofthinking on May 8, 2009 10:30 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
you are 100% correct, they used to be in winnipeg, then moved to phoenix, so i’m thinking mexico is the next logical step no?
by comehomejets on May 9, 2009 3:13 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Why SO?
Because it’s a guaranteed success? There are millions of people here who want their own team, no one can get to a Leafs game and to be honest, who in their right mind wants to see the Leafs? People are tired of crossing the border to watch Buffalo and Detroit. We just want a chance to spend our money on a team in our country, that creates jobs for our citizens. I’m not saying that the Yotes should be that team. It sucks losing a team or even being in Jeopardy your team. But the fact of the matter is, your fans and corporations need to step up to make sure that team doesn’t go anywhere. Good luck to you guys!
by Nelson16 on May 9, 2009 7:49 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s far from a guaranteed success.
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by PPP on May 10, 2009 7:52 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Compared to hockey in an unexplored market, it is as close as you can get to being guaranteed. Even if the team is a failure, which it wouldn’t be (It would easily be a top 10 profiting team at the very worst), Jim Balsillie has the pockets to keep the team afloat in addition to an area rich with potential corporate sponsorship. When Toronto Dominion bank and Royal Bank Canada are going as far south as Boston and Raleigh NC to throw their name on an arena, makes me think a team up here would do very well with local commercial support.
by Nelson16 on May 11, 2009 11:36 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
TD and RBC sponsor those arenas because they have business interests in those cities not because they couldn’t find an advertising avenue in the city. Actually, TD has been replaced by BMO for a lot of advertising associated with MLSE over the past two years.
It would easily be a top 10 profiting team at the very worst
There’s no doubt that the potential is there but I think too many people are ascribind certainty to a number of things that are not slam dunks.
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by PPP on May 11, 2009 12:45 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
My point is that if a Canadian Business can go south and support a hockey team with corporate money, they can and will do the same here. This team would be a success anyway you look at it. Even if it’s not a slam dunk, it’s better than the air balls that have been going up elsewhere around the league.
by Nelson16 on May 11, 2009 1:38 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
In addition to the Canadian Corporations that are sending money south to get their name on arena’s. Buy doing the same thing in Canada, they’ll be keeping some of their money here, creating jobs here and helping the economy here. (and I’m not naive enough to say a new NHL team will send the economy through the roof, but on a small scale, it will help many people where that team is located). As the economy starts to come up, what will the banks get to do? Raise interest rates on loans and mortgages which will net them more money. So again, they stand to profit a tiny bit more.
by Nelson16 on May 11, 2009 1:43 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Ummm
As I pointed out, TD at least has given up their sponsorship of the most important sponsorship in the city. They and RBC aren’t giving money for arena names in Boston and Raleigh because they can’t find an outlet in Canada. It’s because they purchased companies in the US and they need to raise their profile in those areas.
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by PPP on May 12, 2009 7:31 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Errrrrr
Yeah, I understood what you were saying the first time. What I’m saying is that there would be no lack of corporate sponsorship for a second Southern Ontario team that is outside the GTA. I’m very certain many corporations would be fighting tooth and nail to put their name up on a new NHL building. Additionally, the opportunity to partner with RIM (if it presented itself) in any way would be a very big opportunity in many ways.
by Nelson16 on May 12, 2009 11:59 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
By bringing up TD and RBC it sure looked like you had missed the point.
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by PPP on May 12, 2009 1:18 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
first, jagged,
it’s “they’re”, not “there” for “they are”…unless that’s a canadian spelling, like tyre. secondly, were you a winnipeg fan? cause there seems to be a lot of bitterness in your posts…i’ve been a long time hockey fan, in three cities in the southwest and west(L.A., San Jose and Phoenix). i got the chance to root for and be a fan of two expansion teams and one transfer team, in the year they started play….i have never seen such a level of schadenfreude, bitterness, and anger as in your posts above…this is a coyote blog, and the fans posting here are concerned about their team, whether their season tickets are going to be honored, and a host of other things… we want to save our team…is it that there has to be ice and snow outside in order to play hockey inside that sets you off? i don’t see the relationship…canucks fans could then say you gotta have trees outside and not miles and miles of prairie…or toronto fans could say, naaah, you need a lake….ice is ice, what is outside is immaterial…
who will rid me of this damn priest?
by goldenbear64 on May 8, 2009 2:47 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
If you are going to correct someone, correct them properly.
the Jets to leave, there crappy arena did
Yes, he used an incorrect term.
it’s "they’re", not "there" for "they areThe possesive term is their, for “belonging to them”
That said, I find the Coyotes/Balsillie situation to be quite disturbing.
I am in favor of Balsillie getting a team in southern Ontario. I feel that any owner with that much passion for the game would be good for the NHL.
As for the Coyotes, there is a lot to like about their team. The biggest problem I see with the franchise is the lease and revenue agreement between the City of Glendale and the Coyotes. No other team in the league has such an unfavorable deal in place.
As I recall, the City gets parking revenue, concession revenue and rent. I can see why the City would not want to see them leave, that’s ALOTof lost revenue if the team leaves.
Put those two sides together and it is hard to not be in favor of Balsillie moving the franchise. However, as with the Penguins, perhaps Balsillie’s interest in the team will help the franchise get a better deal with the City. It would be better for the City to have a fraction of the renevue then to have no revenue.
As a West Coast Canadian fan, I really could not care less about Ontario, in fact I probably “like” Phoenix better. I also don’t like seeing teams move, but I do like the efforts that Balsillie has made to get a team.
Good luck to both
by Spewie on May 9, 2009 10:31 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
keep it six!
Yeah right on! Keep it six! why in the world would anyone move a bankrupt team that loses 30 + mil a year! Hockey town is in phoenix, we just need to find another rich owner who feels like losing all his money for a obscure team!
by comehomejets on May 9, 2009 3:12 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Had it up to here.
I’m getting tired of these Canadian idiots who expect us in Phoenix to not only meekly accept the idea of the Coyotes moving to Hamilton, but to actually embrace it and cheer for it.
Moreover, the idea that anywhere in Canada is “underserved” in terms of hockey or is “hockey-starved” is the most ludicrous affront to logic I’ve heard in recent memory.
I think the GTA could use a second team. I think, though, that the second GTA team ought to be established after due diligence, a comprehensive study of the area to provide solid demographical data and a detailed plan for establishing infrastructure instead of “no-brainer” gut feelings.
And last, I find it hilarious that Hamiltonians are so eager to have an NHL franchise that they’d be willing to pay Maple Leafs-level prices for a team as bad as the Phoenix Coyotes. Is there really THAT LITTLE to do in Canada that a perennial lottery-pick team is such great entertainment?
You are validating my inherent mistrust of strangers.
by zyllyx on May 9, 2009 7:43 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and while I'm at it...
I think there ought to be at least EIGHT Canadian teams.
I just don’t want one of them to be mine relocated.
Someday someone is going to have the bright idea to split the NHL similarly to MLB or NFL into two conferences – the American and Canadian – and then have the champions of each conference meet to determine which country the Stanley Cup belongs to each year. Then all the rampant nationalist blathering that I keep hearing would make a whole lot more sense.
You are validating my inherent mistrust of strangers.
by zyllyx on May 9, 2009 7:47 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
umm
when did they split up MLB? but honestly CFL is garbage and i play football. and ya 8 – 10 :D for sure i dotn want you guys in pheonix to loose your team like winnipeg lost them b4 you. its a very sad day for everyone (except the town that gets the team) whan you lose you team, pride, and balls.
by ffukk_Coyote on May 25, 2009 11:00 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s a damn good idea! then when say Tampa Bay plays Montreal for the cup atleast someone will know they have a team in the Finals!!!
by comehomejets on May 10, 2009 10:57 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Support from Denver
No hockey fan, regardless of nationality, should be stripped of their hockey team. It’s too bad the ’Yotes had to relocate from Winnipeg, but why would those same Winnipeg fans who understand that heart ache wish that pain on any other hockey fan? Denver knows what it feels like. I sincerely hope everything gets sorted out and the fans get to keep their team.
Best of luck to you dedicated fans!
by smoky201 on May 12, 2009 11:17 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
making it 8?
Alexander Medvedev is starting his own advancement for a team back in quebec city. also just like the JETS that were ripped away the nordiques are lookin to be resurected? maybe :/ hes the persident of the KHL (russian league) i believe hes tried to buy the dallas stars at one point… dono about that though… Now the pheonix situation… i think the dogs dead sry… not tring to piss you guys off honestly. but the jets had 8 times the fan support and the town raised a shit load of money. but it was the end regaurdless. i think the same is to be of the coyotes just like its alter ego (jets). now with everyone bitching about the negitives… get a life. look at whats good in it. if the team moves to hamilton:
1. the NHL Profit will rise…. witch will raise the cap.
2. canada is in need of more teams. they are starving for more compition and more then a 16% chance at a cup run. just look at the raito 24 – 6 :/
3. The great one back to his home.
4. they say buffalo will die :/ i dont believe that its the same with the leafs. people that love there team will stay with there team. they dont just jump ship cause some one else has cheaper tickets. if thats the case you never were a true fan. 15 -20% of the sabers funding will go away from southern ontario. thats bull. i live in southern ontario close to the boarder and anyone who even cares about them moved here from buffalo or area. they will still go to see there team reguardless. or i always hear “its cheaper and easier then going to toronto”. who wants to pay over $100 to see the leafs lose? yes opening the hamilton option drains that revinue. but that money is from people being dissatified with the leafs. basicly hate money. y not have loyalty money.
5. The competitve nature of hockey will pick up. flames vs oilers senator vs leafs. the best of these teams normaly come out in these rivalrys. why not hamilton vs buffalo. (in my opion buffalo needs to step there game up anyways and stop having the 10 spot seasons).
6. Money will only be an issue for a year and i mean only a year. payin out to start the team and get them going after the first year (garrented if they make the playoffs or even go deep in them, but thats not likely) then the fan revenue will take over and not be a negitive 30 million team to a positive 5-10 million. then only to grow.
7. Balsilie is the frist of meny to come. now the president of the KHL has his sights set on a team in quebec city. also a pre failure team. due to corperation lack of intrest. not skill… hahaha they wont the cup the year after leaving quebec.
now what if we kept the team in pheonix and who ever Alexander Medvedev is after. but started the 2 teams in hamilton and quebec city in the eastern confrence and had 2 new teams to the western confrence. there more then enough players in UFA and the draft too (just seed them as bottom rather then top [Last picks to the round]) then all of us are happy with our teams. no one has to lose there team. and theres more canadian hockey witch is so horrible untapped. anyone ever thought of alaska or the yukon as a home of a team? unlike the coyotes and there desert theres actualy ice there naturely. now i know there are a few teams dropping off of the sweedish elite teams and even in the KHL so there are possible options for owners and players… maybe…
“You really do manage to come across as a real dick. Probably because you managed to take everything as an attack on your insecurities.” -PPP. im not tring to be like this just tring to be a fan of hockey everywere. and im exticed to see the responces for everyone. maybe in just spuing out crap or maybe i sparked an idea to save the coyotes and solve the NHL problem (i dought it), but you never know.
by ffukk_Coyote on May 25, 2009 10:25 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
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