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It is with much disappointment that I am writing this post.  Going into the All Star Break, I really thought that this was the year that the Coyotes were not going to be selling everything that wasn't bolted down at the trade deadline...

However, following the abysmal performance of the team since then, it's pretty clear that it's time to SELL, SELL, SELL (move the money into pork backs and orange juice)...

So the question is, who are the untouchables?  Who are the guys that we will personally drive to their new home?

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My general thought is that there are 6-7 untouchables on the team: Doan, Mueller, Hanzal, Boedker, Turris, Michalek [and Bryz, probably].

Then there are a few guys that are likely untradeable due to their contracts: Jovo, Fridge.

After that, there are a lot of guys that I like a lot, but I think I'd be willing to see leave if another team blew the 'Yotes away with a great deal: Carcillo, Lisin, Sauer, Lindstrom, Yandle, Winnik, Reinprecht, Tikhonov.  These are all great players, but I'm not sure that they are not replaceable by other pieces in the organization.

Of the remaining guys that might generate some interest (or not), who are we willing to see depart before trade deadline day in 5 days?

Jokinen:  I really wanted this trade to work out...I really, really did.  Giving up Ballard hurt a lot, and for the first few weeks when Jokinen looked like the top-line center he was being brought in to be, I was almost content.  But since the end of December or so, as Jokinen goes game after game without a point (recent hat trick in LA notwithstanding), and our defense is littered with more and more irresponsible plays, I really miss Ballard (and even Boynton).  Can this be cured by getting Jokinen a consistent set of linemates and another year to get comfortable in his role - possibly.  He's certainly looked better since being paired with Mueller and Carcillo for the last few games (their line was a lone bright spot last night in the offensive zone; giving up the 4-1 opportunity that led to Nashville's 4th goal was not good, though).  I'd be listening to any and all offers.  He might be worth a top-level prospect, roster player and draft pick to some teams...I think this is an area that needs to be explored.

D-Mo: After last season, I would've said D-Mo should stay for as long ashe wants to and be our top-defensive d-man.  He was ridiculously good in 07-08.  This year, he's been flying with a lot of different co-pilots on the blueline, and his play has shown it.  I don't think he's gotten comfortable with any of them.  He's a UFA at the end of the season, and I'm not sure even with the hometown discount, he's going to be in Maloney's price range. 

Hale: I will drive him to any destination personally...I believe I can put together a team of people to do this (kind of like passing the Olympic torch).  The less time I need to see Hale on the blueline, the lower my blood pressure will be.  The fact that he takes playing time from Yandle (who needs it if he will fulfill his potential as a top offensive defenseman who is not a complete liability in his own end; think Mike Green potential), the more Gretzky is hurting the team in years to come.  I'll trade Hale for a crate of Gatorade...

Telly: I think Telly's gotten a bum deal the second half of the season.  Not that Bryz has been terrible, but Telly's deserved more playing time.  He's a great competitor, and does all the little things a back-up goalie is asked to.  He's definitely someone you'd love to have on your team...but he's another UFA at the end of the season, and the 'Yotes have a bunch of guys in the minors that may be ready to step up (Tjordman, Montoya, the swedish kid whose name I am blanking on).  Basically, if a team is willing to give up some more defensive prospects and/or draft picks, I think Maloney needs to entertain those offers.

Basically, I think the Coyotes might have a lot of offensive depth coming forward to play a lot of roles.  I am interested to see what guys like Porter, Kolarik and MacLean can do on the big stage.  I am worried about the defense, though.  Ahnelov is waiting in the wings, and Yandle and Michalek are (hopefully) going to be here for a while; Jovo is signed for several more years.  Sauer hasn't looked great since his injury but was fantastic beforehand...I'd be looking for some young d-men to fill this core group out.  I like Klee, but I don't want to see more of him next year.

Those are the thoughts I'm having on this disappointing Friday morning...this season gave us a lot to cheer about (and yes, there's still an outside chance of the 'Yotes ripping off a ridiculous final 20 games to propel themselves into the postseason).  But the pessimist in me says we're still at least a year away...

Apologies Odie if I'm jumping the gun a bit with this...needed to get it off my chest...

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hale on the blue line is like a ticking bomb…ya never know when it’s gonna blow up on ya…yank needs to be out there…better on the defensive side than last year, a cannon of a shot from the point, and the ability to get it through traffic…skates the puck well and can lead the rush…knows when to sneak down from the point to jump into the play…jovo not much better than hale….sauer will pick it up as he gets healthier, but demo could definitely be a mover….don’t think we can resign him

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by goldenbear64 on Feb 27, 2009 10:11 AM MST reply actions  

We'll give you the tall, creepy-looking, offensive forward, but only if you take the goofy-looking non-defensive defenseman too

Not to be the nagging wife that I am, but J (I can’t call you Moridin, its just too weird), don’t you have a job? Maybe more working and less blogging would mean you don’t get “traded” :)

Seriously though, you raise many fine points (most of which I’ve heard many times…often in a more angry, expletive filled way that makes our cats run for cover). My points/questions:

1 – Is Fridge’s contract really keep him here? I know Jovo has the no-trade, but I didn’t realize Fridge was so ummovable (ah the puns). If he’s movable, move him…now. He has forever endeared himself to me by digging out Carcillo’s teeth from the ice shavings, but I think we can do better. When Winnik’s on his A-game, he covers all of Fridge’s bases. Granted a team always needs multiple reliable grinders, but we’ve (usually) got plenty of grit…we need some softer hands.

2 – I’d hardly call Yandle replaceable. I admit I was a serious doubter of his defensive abilities, but in the last half of the season I’ve become a certified Fandle. I love him on the power play, and feel the confidence when he’s taking the puck into the zone. He still has his moments of weakness defensively, but I think he’s only going to get better. Keeping him paired with a responsible veteran like Klee was key.

3 – Jokinen…oh Olli. I want to love him, I really do. He clearly brings a skill level that we don’t see every day at Jobing.com Arena. He just seems to have some communication problems. He’s king of the miscommunicated pass to someone who isn’t there. I thought that might go away with time, but it doesn’t seem to be. They say he’s vocal in the dressing room and a leader, so I just don’t get it. But I agree that this latest line (cue the Gretzky line shuffle dance mix) might be the ticket. Putting him with Carcillo gives him the extra space and time to show off those skills. So if he’s staying, which I am guessing he is, give this system a shot, Wayne. Please.

4 – D-Mo. I don’t really know how I feel about this. I think that he, like my husband, just has never gotten over losing Ballard. I’d be sorry to see him go (especially watching him watch his kids play in the mites on ice), but if we can’t afford him, we can’t afford him. We all must make sacrifices, right?

5 – Telly is the guy I want to go for his own benefit. I think he’s great, and clearly his teammates love him (probably more than Bryz…what was up with the lack of stick taps for Bryz last night from the team? I really thought Panger was going to run down there during the game and smack the boys if they didn’t give Bryz some love. And then give Bryz a big hug). They play great for him and I wish he was played more often. But for his sake, he should go somewhere where he might have more opportunities. As this year showed across the league, no number one goalie position is sacred (except maybe Bryz’).

6 – And little David Hale. What can you say about little David Hale? He’s like Jovo-lite. He has all the weaknesses of Jovo – getting caught too much down low, failing to hold the blue line effectively, missing the puck for the hit – without the upsides (aka "talent"). He’s certainly improved over the year, but must we bench Yandle for him? I think I die a little inside every time we do that. And for the sake of my husband’s temper (and hence my sanity), the David Hale Experiment must end.

Of course it all comes down to money and what’s being offered around the league. People keep talking about adding depth to the blue line (mostly by offering up our dmen), but I really don’t think that needs to be the focus. The D seems to have suffered most from the mental collapse of late, but I think we’re pretty solid in that department. Once Sauer is back to pre-injury status, the David Hale Experiment is finished, and perhaps this Ahnelov shows his stuff, I think we’re good to go. But what seems to be our problem, our perennial problem, is a lack of offensive production. The names change, but the problem remains the same. Every year we bring in new talent, or promote the much buzzed about young guys, and think our problems will be solved. But something about the system isn’t working when these major goal scoring guys aren’t producing. Is it the lines that change every day in hopes of this mythical chemistry? That seems the most likely candidate, but maybe something more is wrong. I don’t know – and as I always remind my husband, perhaps the coaches know more about hockey than we do. What this could/should/might mean for the trade deadline? I don’t know that either. Giving up veterans for prospects is our m.o., but seriously, how many prospects can one team have? Is there even room left in the San Antonio dressing room?

Well J, I give you crap about not working, but I seem to have gone and done the same. And most days after disappointing losses I tend to avoid all hockey news because it makes me cranky. But perhaps venting is a better solution. It may not help anyone else, but I certainly feel better!

by Coyote4Z on Feb 27, 2009 11:14 AM MST reply actions  

And to think...

Just 2 short years ago the idea of you discussing Hale getting caught too often down low and failing to hold the blue line effectively (both offensive and defensive, I might add) would be unthinkable. You’ve learned well my young padawan…

I agree with most of the points…and I’ll concede I’m not sure about Fridge except that I know he’s signed for more than $1M and the type of team that might be interested in that type of player is usually up against the cap and just needs to add “grit”…like how we swindled Pittsburgh for Carcillo by giving them Laraque.

In your second-to-last paragraph you hit on the bigger problem which is the coaching. Unfortunately, the coaches are likely not going anywhere (but Wayne, Tom Renney would look really good next to you as opposed to Doug Sulliman…just think about it). And in fairness, I think Wayne has kept the lines together for the most part for the last few games (with Lisin as a scratch for some reason despite needing more offense). But it’s pretty widely believed that our offense has talent. Nobody doubts that Turris, Boedker and Mueller have all the tools to be studs in this league. I don’t know that with the exception of Michalek and Sauer (when healthy) we have the same talent pool on the defensive front.

But regardless of whether it’s primarily a coaching issue or a personnel issue, the only thing happening between now and Wednesday are personnel changes…

World Ph*cking Champs! That was fun - let's do it again...

by Jordan Ellel on Feb 27, 2009 11:31 AM MST up reply actions  

i pretty much agree

with all coyote4Z and J had to say…unfortunately, there are others than seem to think the sun shines out of jovo and hales keisters, but he’s pretty much a moron when it comes to those two. were we any other team in the league we would have had a coaching change by now…it’s needed, and someone needs to light a fire under these guys…with as much as they have on the line the lack of effort and passion is showing and turning off the fans… with a player as knowledgeable on the power play as gretzky, ya think he should be able to teach it a little better…the pk is serviceable but could improve, but the pee-pee just plain sucks…will there be any changes before the deadline?? probably not anything major(maybe telly going for draft picks), but if the fridge ain’t gonna drop’em and kick some major A he’s pretty much a nonfactor…hands of stone & slow…i can’t see anyone wanting to pick him up…demo might go but it might have to be a sign and trade deal, or we just lose him to FA this summer…hale? any takers? anyone? speak up, i can’t hear you? roll of tape, skate sharpener, mouthpiece, whatever? pleeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzeeeeeee!!!!! take him and give him a good home….he’s a really nice guy but not an NHL level dman…

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by goldenbear64 on Feb 27, 2009 1:00 PM MST up reply actions  

I just don't get the lines...

Which of these is not like the other: Doan, Michalek, Jovo and Fridge. Those are your only 4 Coyotes to play in all 62 games this season. For all of his faults, Jovo deserves to play game-in, game-out (especially considering his salary)…Doan and Michalek are no-brainers. How is it that Fridge has never once rode the pine…Wayne benches everyone now and again when they have an off day…I’d argue that Fridge has had more than a few non-impact games (and several in a row in at least a few stretches)…and yet, he’s in there every day. Carcillo may sometimes let his emotion take over and hurt the team, but at least there’s something dynamic going on when he’s out there….Fridge doesn’t bring anything to the table…hated the signing, haven’t enjoyed watching him play all year…would like to not see him any more (this being said, he was extremely nice at the team meet ‘n’ greet).

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by Jordan Ellel on Feb 27, 2009 1:16 PM MST up reply actions  

I love the Fridge

I just don’t want him on anything other than an energy line or a checking line. Hands of stone and slow as molasses runnin uphill in December. If he was on a 4th line, crease camping and screenin consistently I wouldn’t be saying a word. But Fridge on a PP? Give me an effin break! Much prefer Winni as a protector, forward and role player.

The lines are horrendous at the best of times. Shuffle, shuffle, nope don’t like him this game or that game, Ouija board or magic 8 ball selection process MUST end! I like rewarding players for doing well but there are some players who just shouldn’t be on your power play…ever. I hate to even say this but, as great as Wheeler is playing for the Bruins, I doubt if he would have had the same success under Gretzky. Our system sucks… its not just the lack of chemistry or bad lines, expectations seem to change from game to game. Be more physical, more energy, more finesse, the emphasis changes so often there is no identity anymore, no spark, no joy. I have never seen such a lifeless and confused and pretty much scared bunch of guys on one bench.

No Morris is a tough call, Dmo isn’t having his best year for sure but if push comes to shove we definitely need to get a great return for him. If Chris Summers comes out of college early (he plays O and D very well, we’re 1 year away from Maxim Goncharov (see the WJC games for this kid’s bonafides) and big Jonas Ahnelov is the real deal for next season so we got people to help shore up the blueline, all is not lost. Hale… I have seen 2000 % improvement in Hale’s performances, unfortunately he was sooo baaad at the beginning that everytime he had a shift that the opponents didn’t score, it was a big deal (he hits and he chips in on the offense occasionally now) nevertheless I too want him in SA. There may be potential there but it is not NHL quality yet.

damn! promised myself I wouldn’t do this yet LOL

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by Monique Reaux on Feb 28, 2009 12:25 AM MST up reply actions  

yeah,

they are all a bunch of pretty good guys…i just don’t see fridge bringing anything to the table ‘cept an appetite….he’s supposed to be a tough guy and a fighter, but he’s shown me NOTHING on that score….there have been times when someone desparately needed to drop and throw and NO ONE did it…and fridge has played in every game…so has jovo…they have, what, maybe 4-5 fights between them? telly gettin whacked in the mask(no call, no fight) some of our youngun’s being run, and nada…zip…zero…nil…nothing but dirty looks and maybe some mouthrunning….there is stuff that needs to be taken care of on the ice, and no one is stepping up…carcillo can’t do it all without going back into the doghouse… so who?

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by goldenbear64 on Feb 27, 2009 1:41 PM MST reply actions  

as regards

the coaching….i have been following hockey for 40 years, and have never seen a player go to his next major job from the ice to head coach…admittedly, gretz was with the club a while as a part owner and managing partner…but no assisstant coach experience, no head coach experience….(maybe some pee-wee hockey somewhere?). gretz states he’s having a ball coaching and can’t see himself doing anything else….but i can…i think it should be a major factor if new investors come on board that the yotes hire a professional coach, who’s paid his dues and knows the ins and outs of the job…ulf and grant have shown me nada…and maloneys bro-in-law? what do any of them bring to the table?? not a lot of success in their resumes…maloney had done a pretty good job as GM(‘specially compared to barnett) but his hands are pretty much tied when it comes to gretz…what’s Muckler doing?? does he have the ear of anyone in the organization? i seriously would love to play whack-a-mole with the whole coyote upper management and coaches….."WHAT ARE YOU THINKING???!!!!!" ’kay, i dun fur naow, like coyoteZ4, feel better after venting, thanxcyabye

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by goldenbear64 on Feb 27, 2009 1:50 PM MST reply actions  

It does make one feel better...

That’s how this post started this morning…just needed to get all that frustration out.

I agree with all your points on the front office/coaching. Granted, I don’t have experience playing hockey at a competitive level or coaching, but it certainly seems like things are amiss. I can’t see how it would hurt to not at least get some assistants who are pros if Gretz wants to be the mouthpiece…he seems to be primarily a delegator anyways…just delegate to the right people…

World Ph*cking Champs! That was fun - let's do it again...

by Jordan Ellel on Feb 27, 2009 2:18 PM MST up reply actions  

yeah, the

assisstants all seem to be from “the gang that can’t shoot straight”…or the keystone kops…i keep hearing casey stengel “can’t anybody here play this game” and wondering about our coaching staff…for 4 years our power play has sucked, even with good offensive players, those that have had success elsewhere, out on it….others have wondered why our goalies tend to start off good and then tail off after being coached for a while by fuhr…ulfie has gotta have some input on the dmen and if he hasn’t benched hale by now he’s not gonna….sulliman? been gone a while, maybe good with the kids, but….ya just gotta wonder WHAT ARE YOU THINKING??

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by goldenbear64 on Feb 27, 2009 3:22 PM MST reply actions  

I have been contemplating C4

for the coaching staff lately. I totally agree with most of the points made so far. I think its time to move on w/ all of the assistant coaching staff including Fuhr…especially Fuhr.

I’ve watched a lot of practices and have not been impressed by what goes on there. Sulliman yakkin w/ the boys rather than workin them, players drifting around whenever they aren’t actively involved in a specific task, no real direction of specific points of improvement that I could see.

Yanic Perreault face off coach… hell even settle for Mike Sillinger… 2 of the best face off men in the biz during their careers… (No Panic Yanic taught Zigomanis things without even tryin) feel me?
Ulf Dahlen assistant coach… check Dallas’ record when he was there.
Mike Ramsey defensive assistant coach (8 years w/ Lemaire and the most stultifying defensive strategies in the NHL) sounding good?
Either Allaire brother… proven track records, I don’t think I can name a goalie that trained with either of them on the main stage that actually got worse during their teaching. (Fuhr? do the names Lenevue, Morris, Bryzgalov speak to you as gettin better from his teaching?)
Wayne is a pretty good study, think he could learn a thing or 3 from these guys?

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by Monique Reaux on Feb 28, 2009 12:07 AM MST reply actions  

Oh... I didnt include TGO because

frankly he ain’t goin anywhere… his record? He’ d be gone from any other team by now with or without his consent.

Takin over the NHL, 1 blocked shot at a time... Go Z!

by Monique Reaux on Feb 28, 2009 12:29 AM MST up reply actions  

Z, as usual,

thoughtful, cogent, lucid…the way you normally are when you’re not on a rant..lol…as a matter of fact, you are the one who pointed out to me the falloff of goalies when fuhr coaches them(think bouchard, as well). i llike your picks for assisstants…loved ulf dahlen as a player and when he was in san jose where i watched him he was a leader in the room AND on the ice…he connects with other players and they all seemed to improve when on his line(check with BT in Az for her opine on dahlly). we have a squad that has talent, speed, and success elsewhere and at other levels…why can’t the coaching staff build on that and improve this team?

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by goldenbear64 on Feb 28, 2009 9:54 AM MST reply actions  

rants?

Moi? LOL sometimes I get so mad all I can do is sputter and expetiviate (and yes that IS a word… now)

Takin over the NHL, 1 blocked shot at a time... Go Z!

by Monique Reaux on Feb 28, 2009 10:18 AM MST up reply actions  

AND,

your command of the perjorative is the stuff of legends…i imagine you had a thing or two to say to your boyz Zmik and sweets after last game…-3 each???? dayum, that sucks big time…woulda loved to be a fly on the wall at Casa Mo-Ro-Mar

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by goldenbear64 on Feb 28, 2009 10:31 AM MST reply actions  

is it sad

that I cussed til a couldn’t talk anymore during the 3rd period (watchin 4 on nones and such is waaay past distressing) then I actually turned the game off… no really! the biggest homer in the entire NHL (outside of Panger) turned off the TV and walked away… that game hurt in ways I can’t describe.

Takin over the NHL, 1 blocked shot at a time... Go Z!

by Monique Reaux on Feb 28, 2009 10:48 AM MST reply actions  

long, long ago

in a place far, far away, i once had a guy sic his doberman on me…i had a head start so i got to the fence and vaulted it before the dog, then turned around and screamed at the guy for about 4-5 minutes, and had the neighbors out listening to me…after i finally stopped and took a deep breath, the old man next door said to me “sonny, what was that thing about the goat, again?”…that’s about the way i felt thursday night…so, homegirl, i feel your pain and have been there, done that, and got the t-shirt…on another note, odie better get his stuff in a pile or he’ll check in and find the inmates have taken over the asylum…or something to that affect…lol

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by goldenbear64 on Feb 28, 2009 11:13 AM MST reply actions  

true

tres true….it does seem like emptying a leaky boat with a teaspoon…but thanks for giving us a place to vent that prevents injury to loved ones, small animals and random strangers….why did it take you 1hr 31min to respond to the batsignal…mrs o gotcha busy doin’ stuff…hoomin stuff…or kitteh stuff??lol cya tonight…i’m outta here…if the blues bunch comes over, tell’em to wipe their feet and keep their klepto little hands off the liquor…don’t wanna have to clean up after them…

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by goldenbear64 on Feb 28, 2009 12:53 PM MST reply actions  

I was busy.

Was doin Odie stuff. YOu know, being lazy :P

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