David Shoalts reaches Ecklund Level of Credibility
Just across the wire with more stupid specualtion about the Coyotes is David Shoalts with yet another article about the Coyotes. No, it's not the one I predicted earlier about Shumway resigning. Instead it's a bunch of uncited baseless conjecture to further paint the Coyotes in a bad light. If you actually have foundation for things you should oh, I dunno, say so. Instead he asks questions based on things other teams have thought of to get around the profit sharing rules. Well done douchebag. Let's actually go over this one shall we?
Are the Phoenix Coyotes buying as many as 4,000 tickets a game in hopes of meeting their revenue-sharing targets so that, unlike last season, they will qualify for a full portion of revenue-sharing money?
And that's it. There's no other basis just "Well the Preds have thought about it, so the Coyotes must be too, OR MAYBE ALREADY ARE!"
But if the Coyotes are on a buying spree, it's a much different matter, Mr. Commissioner. Your deputy, Bill Daly, says it ain't so, and we hope he's right, although we wonder whether third parties are buying tickets on the Coyotes' behalf?
Wow. Conspiracy theorist much? Get your tin-foil hats!
We all know the NHL is carrying the Coyotes through advances on their estimated shared revenues. But are the payouts now in excess of those estimates, and if so, how do we get paid back?
Meantime, are you planning to increase the NHL's line of credit at Citibank to more than $100-million (all currency U.S.) to float the Coyotes through next season?
That's just super. You can't even nail down a number of how much the actual losses are. We know there are losses and even I admit that. What no one seems to be able to do is agree on how much that is. No one has come forward with numbers of how much of an advance they've gotten and maybe that's what your question is getting at. If so, could you ask it like more of a jerk next time? I don't think your distain for Coyotes hockey really came though in that one.
I get that this is a "Questions we'd ask Bettman" article, but your top questions are really all about the Coyotes? Really? Your question about the cap are just footnotes to that? I don't know what your hard-on for Coyotes and "Non-traditional hockey markets" failing is, but get the hell over it. Contraction and teams failing is bad for everyone. The sooner you get that through your damn head, and those of your ilk, the better off everyone will be.
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And just to clarify, when you say, “Well the Preds did it, so the Coyotes must be too,” it’s worth mentioning that the Preds haven’t “done it” in terms of the owners buying excess tickets, David Freeman talked about possibly doing that down the stretch if that’s what it took to push past 14,000 average paid (which it appears likely won’t be necessary).
I share your concerns that all too often the Toronto media gets way out ahead of the facts on stories like this.
BTW, when he asks how the league will get paid back for what is being advanced to the Coyotes, he obviously doesn’t know what advances are. They are basically pre-payments for what is coming later on in terms of Phoenix’s share of league-wide revenues like endorsements and TV rights. When that money does come in, Phoenix won’t get the share that’s already been advanced to them.
More fun than a stick to the face!
Sorry about that.
I’ll fix that in my post right away.
And you hit right on point the kind of stuff i’m talking about. He spins everything in the worst possible way for teams that don’t fit his ideas of what a hcokey market is. It’s frustrating that most of the bloggers I know hold themselves to higher standards than he apperently does.
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Part of this is somewhat understandable from a commercial standpoint, as you can see by the comments after every story like this on the Globe or TSN sites that a story about “southern hockey teams failing” is like ringing a dinner bell for the Canadian hockey-loving public. It helps salve the wounds still felt by the departure of the Jets and Nordiques, and plays into the fact that Toronto as a hockey market has far outgrown the Maple Leafs. Articles like this sell papers and generate fever-pitched commentary north o’ the border.
Somehow, someway, the league has to put another team in that area. The problem is, franchise relocation is extremely tricky, and the failure of a team doesn’t help the overall league at all. Even though some think it impossible in this economic climate, I’d bet that if Toronto got an NHL expansion team for next fall, they’d sell out their tickets in no time.
More fun than a stick to the face!
Agreed on all points.
All this stuff just drums up sales. As you can see from the commenters at that particular paper (Which, newspaper website comment sections, admittedly are a Lowest Common Denominator type of thing) they get whipped up in a good frenzy for this stuff.
I also agree that Toronto has outgrown the leafs, but I don’t see a 2nd team happening until this economic downturn starts resolving. With the cost associated with the whole venture of either moving or expanding, even with a solid hockey market it’s tough to do. Selling tickets wouldn’t be the problem, securing the financing required to start up is.
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I share your concerns that all too often the Toronto media always gets way out ahead of the facts.
Fixed.
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Ahahahahaaa.
It’s true. You’d think you could get some decent hockey reporters up there eh?
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No kidding. From your heyboard to God’s ears!
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Honestly...
I really want to know what these idiots are going to do with their hardened grudge against Phoenix if the team does end up relocating to Canada. It’ll still be the same financially-challenged franchise it is now, just in a “traditional hockey market.” It’ll still be on the NHL’s “dole.” And it’ll have to share a building with the Leafs because I don’t think I hear anyone in Toronto offering to build another arena.
All of that bitterness and anger has got to go somewhere. I’m guessing Florida or Atlanta.
You know, there are days where I wish the NHL just split the league into Canadian and American Divisions (or even Traditional and Non-Traditional Divisions) so we could enjoy our hockey without these rabid buttmunchers insulting us, tearing us down, and generally behaving like massive tools.
You are validating my inherent mistrust of strangers.
amen, zyllyx
this crap does get old after a while…my wife’s cp-worker came up to her yesterday and asked “are the coyotes going under or moving?” this is all like when the dbacks were losing money and colangelo brought in some new investors and made a cash call on the existing ones.
the yotes 3rd uni sucks
by goldenbear64 on Jan 24, 2009 10:31 AM MST up reply actions
They are acting like any fanbase that sees teams move from a place where they receive great support to a city where they are an afterthought unless they are winning.
I am sure that if the Colts had move during the internet age and struggled in Baltimore that you would have seen the same.
It’s not so much that Canadians are buttmunchers or massive tools but that we don’t enjoy seeing our game (and yes, it’s ours just like baseball is yours) dragged through the mud because of franchises with low attendance and terrible financial results.
Try to imagine the shoe was on the other foot and there were only a couple of baseball or football franchises in the US with the vast majority in Canada and all our media did all day was focus on how neither were our national games and that they were not one of the major sports in Canada and all they covered as the negative aspects of the game. Think that might piss off some people?
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Nope
The Yotes are NEVER moving back to Canada. It’s not because of evil/dumb Bettman (he takes his orders from his employers), it’s because the Canadian teams don’t want to diminish any of their own revenue AT ALL.
There will be no contraction either while there is labor peace. So if they want to stir up all this crap in the Great White North so that KC or Vegas will eventually get a team, then that is nice of them.
But all the fuss is mostly designed to get Glendale to cave a bit on the lease, which will likely happen. I wonder if they will write articles about how the Coyotes broke even if they make the 2nd round of the playoffs?
You know
how media scumbags are…the vultures flock to the feast. Negative “news” creates more buzz than good news.
It Puts The Lotion On It's Skin...Or Else It Gets The Hose Again.
The fact that the Toronto area would “support” another franchise just shows to me that the incumbent Toronto franchise stinks. That’s why the Islanders, Ducks, and even Devils came into existence… if the Rangers and Kings were any good, there would’ve been no need for a 2nd franchise.
I liked the Jets and Nordiques too but why anyone would honestly hope for teams to fail is beyond me. This whole “death watch” of the Predators and Coyotes is ridiculously biased and unfortunate for those teams to deal with.
Quebec doesn’t even have a CFL team for crying out loud… why should they get to jump right to the NHL? Every other Canadian NHL city/hopeful has at least a CFL team, save Ottawa who probably shouldn’t have either.
The other school of thought is people hoping for some kind of league contraction, based on the antiquated idea that the talent pool is too diluted. Show me the 30 worst players in the NHL today and I’ll show you a group of 30 crappier players from 1987-88.
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