You're Dead to Me - FfH Has Had Enough of This

The scene at the Globe and Mail sports department offices after OdinMercer eliminated all intelligent life other than James Mirtle. Unfortunately that also means everyone there except this computer survived.
Note: Five for Howling Prides itself on being a respectful hockey loving place to discuss the Phoenix Coyotes and hockey in general. If one word could describe us, it would be classy. That being said, the writers of this blog (me) may have to momentarily break with our fine classy tradition as many of these topics need to be addressed, but we may not have the ability to be completely rational or "nice" about it. There may even be a swear word or thirty. Also note that I am trying my best to be nice about things, so give me some points for effort. Those with weak constitutions should probably visit websites such as this. Or Moose, you could simply Man Up and meet me after the jump...
By this point in our hockey season, you've probably read a zillion stories about anything and everything about hockey. You may have read things from around SBNation, some other blogs that while respectable, are not quite as cool as our little network (I kid, I kid) or even, dare I say, some type of main stream media that "covers hockey". The vast majority of hockey articles are benign. They inform readers about facts. Things such as scores, statistics, or fictional stories of Wendel Clark being like the Candyman. But sometimes some sorry excuses for sports reporters decide to latch onto a story and beat it into the fucking ground. Usually it's just something that lasts for a week or two and then it's mercifully over. However some of our hockey brethren, mostly to the north, have decided to take it upon themselves to take any and all troubles with our franchise in the desert and squealing about it with such glee that its physically nauseating. I'll do my best to breakdown exactly what my problems with this entire episode are in a somewhat coherent manner. I also know that not all Canadians fell the way I interpret some of this as. I'm not mad at Canada, just specific Canadian Media.
First let me say this: The Coyotes have severe financial problems. I get it. You get it. Everyone gets it. They've even acknowledged that fact. They haven't given out specific numbers, but we know it's a lot. I'm also not buying all the roses and sunshine that the NHL and the Coyotes are selling. I'm not a moron. I know that they'll say everything's peachy until the last possible moment. However, i'm just as unlikey to buy something that some hack journalist that has a hard-on for the Coyotes failure. And i'm not saying that because of one article. David Shoalts has been writing "Coyotes in Trouble" articles since 2002. Am I going to pay an outrageous $4.95 each for stories in the archives that came up when I searched the Globe and Mail for Shoalts stories about "Coyotes Finance Trouble". Um... no. I'm a poor hockey blogger. So i'll just ramble on about what I can get for free.

You're dead to me David Shoalts - My beef with you is not that you write negatively about the Coyotes. I can handle that. It's that you, or your paper, feel that every third day or so feel the need to practically regurgitate the same information over and over, with no real new information, but insisting that the team is in trouble. It is, its losing money, again, we get it. But when your grand solutions are contracting or moving the team to... wait for it... Canada. You quickly lose ground. Do things need to change for the Coyotes? Yes. Does that mean they have to relocate? No. Ottawa, Buffalo, Los Angeles, Nashville, et al. have had major financial problems recently. Any of those franchises moved? Nope. You had one solid article about the actual finances. Detailing how the actual finances are. That's useful, thank you for that. Does that make up for basically using nameless sources and using your past articles as evidence to support your current one? No. Maybe that's just how the game is played nowadays. If so, that's still no excuse. This one's for you.
You're Dead to me Stephen Shoalts-Brunt - Right now you're asking yourself "Isn't his name Stephen Brunt?" Yes, but with how he writes a column right after Shoalts writes a story basically parroting the exact same points, he may as well be named Shoalts-Brunt. All that stuff from above. Ditto to you bub.
You're Dead to me Hot Stove Panel - The other night on Hockey Night in Canada, the panel took it upon itself to contract us. Um. You guys are morons. Seriously? Way to workout what of our players would be dispersed where. I expect this kind of amateur crap from Eklund. That's how much I think of that conversation. Terrible. I expect more of people that know something about hockey.
You're Dead to Me Winnipeg - We get it. You got hosed but good. The guys that shipped your team out of town are terrible people. I'm sorry they did that. You deserve a hockey team if you can actually sustain one. There are lots of questions about that with how much of a hit the Loonie has taken lately. I hope you get a hockey team someday. It's not going to be my hockey team though. In the meantime, please quiet down the morons in your town that like to say things like "Now you know what it feels like." Ahem... Fuck off. I did not take your team. Some millionaires did and moved it here. I have respect for Winnipeg, I like Canada, but stop salivating over our team like it's a Christmas ham. That is all. Oh, and we're not playing any more "home" preseason games there anymore. At least we had better not be.
You're Dead to Me People that Whine About Scottsdale Being Too Far Away - Not only do fair-weather fans around town use that as an excuse, but Shoalts actually used Paul Kelly, NHLPA executive Director, who visited for a few days as a source of someone who would know about the arduous trek from Scottsdale to Glendale. (Scottsdale being the money center or town) How long does it really take? About 45 Minutes. Here's a map. And really, Most of the money is in North Scottsdale. Even less time. Not a good excuse. Takes just as long to get downtown. Cry me a river. Glendale has build up around the arena and is awesome. Most people in other hockey markets would kill for that commute to the game. Mesa and Chandler? I feel more sorry for you. You can cry, but only for a minute because we're not moving the arena again. Sorry.
ARGH!!!! Okay. I think I'm done. Thank you for bearing with me through all this. Now that i've at least gotten all of that out of my system, hopefully I can deal with future slamming articles with a little more reason rather than anger. It's hard to see reason when you're blinded by rage.
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AMEN! Brother Odie
Amen! and DITTO!
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by Z4dfense on Jan 13, 2009 7:51 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
I respect Canadians in general for their passion and support of the game. But they don’t own it and I wish they would stop acting like it.
by Brad Lee on Jan 13, 2009 8:02 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
I agree
It’s tough because losing Winnipeg and Quebec really hurt and since then we’ve been in “Get Them Back” mode. We tend to forget that taking the team’s back would leave a fanbase in Phoenix, Nashville, Atlanta, etc feeling just like Winnipeg and Quebec.
At the same time, when you see the demand for hockey in Canada and then see franchises on the way to failing it’s hard to not be bitter about it.
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by PPP on Jan 13, 2009 9:25 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I totally understand wanting more hockey
And I understand the bitterness after the teams left. It’s just frustrating to have writers being vultures about it.
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by Travis Hair on Jan 13, 2009 9:37 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Great.
Someone from the Globe and Mail checked out the site according to tracking. I might get mocked in a Canadian Publication! Then I can look forward to commenters showing up to trash me from their site. Yay! I heart ban buttons…
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by Travis Hair on Jan 13, 2009 5:53 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Might provide a good opportunity to recruit the old Winnepeg fans…
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by FrankD on Jan 13, 2009 8:18 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
It might.
But their city is dead to me. So how can I do that? ;-)
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by Travis Hair on Jan 13, 2009 11:30 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
man up Moose!
If the Coyotes go anywhere, me thinks it will be Vegas…that’s like a 4 hour car ride! :P
well written Odin. What cracks me up is that some Canadian hockey “journalists” used to say the same thing about SJ and the Stars (Never survive, contract, move them to Canada etc etc.)
The current problem with Phoenix is the Gretzky gang. Too many yes men for too long, created a less than stellar on ice product. That’s beginning to turn around (I ♥ Mueller…) and chances are, attendance will creep up with more wins.
i still recall the desert white outs in the 90s when the team had JR and Amonte. The fan base is there…
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by blurr1974 on Jan 13, 2009 9:46 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Its not just the Gretzky years
Take a real good look… we had an ugly period where there was no plan, no system and we went no where.
Blaming TGO and crew is not telling the whole story. There are some former owners, GMs and coaches that should figure heavily in any blame that goes around.
Right now we are in perhaps the best position in a very long time. Hunting for a play off berth for the second season in a row is not too shabby. makin those playoffs would really go a long way to bringing an admittedly fickle fanbase to life Havin serious depth in every position for the future also bodes well for us to continue making the postseason and keepin the fan’s attention. Now that we are finally making headway, economics is screwin w/ our progress. Seems like we can’t catch a damn break.
Richard Nickerson also states a good case…. http://phoenix.fanster.com/howlingatthemoon/2009/01/09/will-coyotes-stay-in-phoenix/
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by Z4dfense on Jan 13, 2009 10:03 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
It amazes me that there is barely any
mention of the previous bankruptcies, their histories, the results of those restructures. The Sens/Pens/Sabres & Kings have all been there done that. There was not an all out war declared on these teams by the press, Canadian or otherwise. (ooh look! only 1 of those bankrupted teams was an ‘out of market’ team) These issues can and have happened even to teams in hockey markets.
Why now? What is it about the Coyotes that sticks in the Glob of Mud’s craw so badly? Did one of our player’s steal Burnt or Shulthead’s woman at some point in the past? Give them a wedgie in front of the neighborhood girls?
As fans of the NHL we are all in this together. Any failures hurt the whole. HNiC should not be contributing to the hysteria. This turning on the weak of the NHL pack has got to stop. If we can’t stand together and help spread the game, grow the game, it will return to the ponds and forever remain a niche sport and Lord Stanley will fade into the annals of quaint history.
Canada needs the US teams in order to have an NHL. Wha? are the 6 Canadian teams just gonna play each other over and over again for the Cup? We need Canada too. This is a symbionic relationship. can’t we all just get along?
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by Z4dfense on Jan 13, 2009 9:55 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
I think we’ve got to remember that newspaper editors and HNIC staff are still chiefly after readers/viewers. So when they make the investment to report a story like this — digging into numbers and sources that the league won’t officially release, calling the Coyotes out on the parking fee talk — they’re going to make the most of it while it’s hot by adding “What’s it mean?” column pieces. HNIC, too, knows that this is an easy, hot-button topic for viewers, as is the fantasy GM nature of a dispersal draft. It’s like riling people up by questioning someone’s patriotism in U.S. politics: too easy.
If Moyes’ business troubles eventually force him to sell, this sets their long-term narrative nicely. “As we reported back in January.” If he’s able to hold it together, I doubt we’ll see a piece detailing, “How Moyes Rescued His Fortune and Kept His Hockey Team.”
I agree with you, though: Razzing aside, hockey fans are essentially in this together, and smart, steady growth is the healthiest solution. As with revenue sharing, the haves won’t exactly have an interesting league if they rid the continent of the have-nots.
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by Dominik on Jan 13, 2009 1:03 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Slap Shot blog at NYT
I sort of went off on this same issue over at Lighthouse, but the New York Times’ Slap Shot blog went into the G&M coverage and explained how, while the financial situation is indeed alarming, there was much more to the situation and history than the “move ’em back to Winnipeg” opinion pieces would let on.
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by Dominik on Jan 13, 2009 10:46 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
thank you for this link
I couldn’t find it earlier when I was makin the point that its not just one thing that causes teams to falter and blame can’t be assigned to only one entity (i.e. Gretzky’s regime) and no single solution (contraction or moving a team) will fix what ails the league as a whole.
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by Z4dfense on Jan 13, 2009 11:12 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
i apologize...
for making it sound like all problems were wrapped up in a pretty bow with the tag “Gretzky” written on it. Was not my intention.
However, his initial ownership of the organization created a country club, golfing with the buddies atmosphere. It has changed recently, but still, is one of many factors in regards to the on ice product.
hockey clubs have a trickle down effect, and it can be seen in countless organizations. As a Leafs fan, I can point to, not just the JFJ era, but the corporate dysfunction in Pat Quinn’s later tenure as focus points for the current malaise that we’re still working our way out of.
All that said, I’m a Canadian against contraction.
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by blurr1974 on Jan 13, 2009 11:34 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
no apology needed
I got your point and wasn’t really pointing a finger but there are those out there who really think the Yotes troubles start and end w/ Gretzky… dumbasses…
I do like the fact that you can also look to your own team and see the madness. You get big kudos in my book for understanding that contraction is probably not a good solution.
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by Z4dfense on Jan 13, 2009 12:56 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, if teams absolutely can’t make it somewhere, fine: move ‘em. But contraction seems like such a silly, impossible idea — just something for the bar or the TV panel to bandy about. Can’t see the NHLPA ever getting behind that, unless they got a seriously rogue leader. Those are 45-60 jobs gone. “What? League revenues dropping from $4B to [pick your figure]? That’s fine. We’ll take a lower salary cap; but like hell you’re eliminating 50 millionaire-player slots.”
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by Dominik on Jan 13, 2009 1:13 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the problem is no one actually looks at numbers and assumes that Phoenix is like Nashville or Columbus. Phoenix is bigger than Philadelphia. It deserves a hockey team.
Plus, if you guys don’t stick around then I don’t get to revel in your tears when the Kings beat you in the Western Conference Finals in 5 years.
The West Coast is the Best Coast.
by RudyKelly on Jan 13, 2009 11:44 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
don't count your reveling
too soon Rudy LOL
we’re gonna be neck and neck for the entire rise to Cup raising over those next 5 years. I look forward to it as a former Kingette
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by Z4dfense on Jan 13, 2009 12:58 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
when the Kings beat you in the Western Conference Finals in 5 years.
I think on that day I’ll be writing the post that says “You’re dead to me Western Conference Finals”.
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by Earl Sleek on Jan 13, 2009 3:06 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Stop being modest
You and Odin both better know it’s going to be a lot sooner than five years. Just think, Earl’s tears will taste like gravy then!
by HockeyJoe on Jan 13, 2009 4:10 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on how much I get affected by the SoCal environment. In five years my tears might taste like smog.
Sweet, sweet smog.
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by Earl Sleek on Jan 13, 2009 5:16 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I suggest hanging around Disney more, maybe you can get the afterglow of cotton candy going on.
by HockeyJoe on Jan 13, 2009 7:55 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, c'mon ... Brunt?
Dude, the guy wrote “Searching for Bobby Orr.” Have a heart.
Have. A. Heart.
by jamestobrien on Jan 13, 2009 2:26 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Oh he got a point or two for that.
That’s why I just called him a parrot. And then stopped. Other than naming him Shoalts-Brunt.
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by Travis Hair on Jan 13, 2009 4:24 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Make it STOP!
Damn you Toronto Star
[assumes fetal position, commence rocking back and forth]
by C13TheDiva on Jan 13, 2009 2:58 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
stop that!
you gonna hurt yerself… and stop reading that drivel, you gonna grow hair on yer eyeballs or somethin.
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by Z4dfense on Jan 13, 2009 4:54 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't worry.
I have a feeling that Dead to Me will be a continuing series. And Damien Cox is already on the board, I just ran out of hate energy.
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by Travis Hair on Jan 13, 2009 5:17 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Brush off these crappy headlines. Coming from a Pens fan who once heard rumors of Kansas City/Las Vegas Penguins circling through the media, taking it for more than face value will drive you nuts.
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by FrankD on Jan 13, 2009 8:21 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait … so I shouldn’t make plans for the Kansas City Islanders?!? :-)
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by Dominik on Jan 21, 2009 10:34 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The Most Interesting Part of the Story Didn't Appear in the Globe
The hockey team is not piling up all the red ink—it is probably the adjacent real estate. The financial folks over at Business of Hockey estimate that the actual hockey operations side probably has only modest losses but they also have to bear additional costs that are not directly connected to the operation of the team.
To me the really under-reported aspect of this story is a NHL franchise is being strangled by non-NHL obligations.
by The Falconer on Jan 13, 2009 3:58 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
So it’s a bigger issue than “winning” can fix?
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
by SunDolphin on Jan 13, 2009 6:11 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yotes
Yes, they really should stop with the stories unless they have something new and/or they can prove this is worse than all those other situations.
Canada sure is pissed about losing the team, but the Yotes are not moving to Canada, since then the 6 Canada teams would have to give up more of their CBC money.
How about having the team play in Vegas for maybe 7-10 dates a year? Do it during the week when attendance is less, but all the tourists are still out and about in Vegas. The cash they would make from those 7 to 10 “special events” would help the team stay in Arizona, plus local fans could even make the trip to Vegas sometimes.
by elricsi on Jan 13, 2009 8:34 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Honestly? I think that a hockey game in Vegas would make Phoenix’s crowds look like sellouts.
Vegas’ big money comes from a transitory tourist base. I could see something like a Grand Prix or some other big annual event drawing well, and indeed motorsports in Vegas has done not so badly. But building a fan base in Las Vegas would be a job that would take the franchise back to square one – first they’d have to sell the city on hockey period, then they’d have to succeed as a franchise to draw any sort of crowd.
If the Coyotes are going to move (although I hope desperately that they won’t), the only places that make sense are Canada and northern US cities where it’s cold and not a whole lot else is going on. Hell, why not build an arena in Great Falls, Montana? There’s ice, snow, bitter cold, and the locals don’t have anything else outside of college football to entertain them… :)
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by zyllyx on Jan 15, 2009 5:25 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for joining!
And I couldn’t agree more. Also, Vegas may be the only place hit harder by the economic downturn than phoenix. Tons of forclosures and a service based economy that’s been slammed by people simply no coming to town as much.
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